AIM120C: PAF, Chinese Fighters and American Missiles

[GumNaam]

With all this hoopla over the indian claim of the AIM-120C AAM piece that miraculously shows the name and everything, it just occurred to me that for PAF engineers, mating american missiles with Chinese and other non american aircrafts is nothing new. We've been mating them since the late 60s, sidewinders on F6s, mirages, A5s and F7s. Given the history, it's entirely possible that we mated our AIM-120Cs with the JF-17s. That makes sense from the business perspective as well since it would make the JF17 all the more attractive for countries like Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other friendly countries that have a large stock of AIM-120 missiles and would want the Thunders to be compatible with the AIM-120s.

 

[aziqbal]

honestly I doubt it

yes we integrated sidewinders on F6 with help of Iranian and Turkish technicians in 1960s

why would we do that now with JF17?

never believe anything from India

 

[GumNaam]

honestly I doubt it

yes we integrated sidewinders on F6 with help of Iranian and Turkish technicians in 1960s

why would we do that now with JF17?

never believe anything from India

You're right, we don't need to but it does make an awesome sales pitch to friendly countries who are potential buyers of JF-17s when they know that they'll be able to use their existing arsenal of american AAMs with the Thunder and won't have to buy a completely new set of SD-10AAMs.

 

[aziqbal]

You're right, we don't need to but it does make an awesome sales pitch to friendly countries who are potential buyers of JF-17s when they know that they'll be able to use their existing arsenal of american AAMs with the Thunder and won't have to buy a completely new set of SD-10AAMs.

honestly I think a lawsuit from Raytheon would be the biggest worry

by passing the source code another

 

[Irfan Baloch]

With all this hoopla over the indian claim of the AIM-120C AAM piece that miraculously shows the name and everything, it just occurred to me that for PAF engineers, mating american missiles with Chinese and other non american aircrafts is nothing new. We've been mating them since the late 60s, sidewinders on F6s, mirages, A5s and F7s. Given the history, it's entirely possible that we mated our AIM-120Cs with the JF-17s. That makes sense from the business perspective as well since it would make the JF17 all the more attractive for countries like Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other friendly countries that have a large stock of AIM-120 missiles and would want the Thunders to be compatible with the AIM-120s.

AIM120 is a very complex and sophisticated piece of work and cant be integrated like you have suggested
back in the days the engineering was simple . in modern times the top end manufacturers ensure that their technology cant be copied or coupled with systems they dont want,

so your claim is very weak

 

[MastanKhan]

AIM120 is a very complex and sophisticated piece of work and cant be integrated like you have suggested
back in the days the engineering was simple . in modern times the top end manufacturers ensure that their technology cant be copied or coupled with systems they dont want,

so your claim is very weak

Hi,

Irfan---to integrate the Aim 120 to JF17 defeats the purpose of the JF17 as an un-sanctioned aircraft---.

All this investment that has been done on the JF17 program---all the advertisement don for the JF17---has been to provide the buyer with a totally un-restrained un-sanctioned product and weapnry---.

Putting aim120 on the JF17 is putting hurdles in the development of the JF17 and its weapons---.

It is too far fethced---.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

Irfan---to integrate the Aim 120 to JF17 defeats the purpose of the JF17 as an un-sanctioned aircraft---.

All this investment that has been done on the JF17 program---all the advertisement don for the JF17---has been to provide the buyer with a totally un-restrained un-sanctioned product and weapnry---.

Putting aim120 on the JF17 is putting hurdles in the development of the JF17 and its weapons---.

It is too far fethced---.

your sentence must be put on a frame and put outside JF-17 factory.

very well said

but also its not that simple to integrate anyway.

 

[MastanKhan]

your sentence must be put on a frame and put outside JF-17 factory.

very well said

but also its not that simple to integrate anyway.

Hi,

Thank you---suppose you find a way to break the code---if you are finding a way into the inside of the aim120---you are by default then giving a way in to your system as well---.


What if there is a STUXNET type virus sitting in there planted by the manufacturer---which can wreak havoc on the aircraft computers---?

Youngman---I am getting old---and these young kids have no learning abilities---.

 

[MilSpec]

AIM120 is a very complex and sophisticated piece of work and cant be integrated like you have suggested
back in the days the engineering was simple . in modern times the top end manufacturers ensure that their technology cant be copied or coupled with systems they dont want,

so your claim is very weak

Technically it's not difficult to mate any IR missile with anything, On ground all you need is a directional actuation setup on a gimbal to point it to the target, most IR missiles do not have any mid course input , all it needs a solid lock for the seeker to identify the target. For aerial platforms at most you would need the seeker communication with either your mission comp, your MFD, and HMD if available which is readily available by most manufacturers which lets platforms like Soviet or chinese platforms support Aim 9, or Russian Platforms to qualify Python and Matra530D, or French platforms to qualify the R73. Technically you could point a IR homing missile from a suzuki mehran and it will still rush towards what ever heat source it was locked on to before launch.
BRVAAM, on the other hand needs either constant radar illumination uptill terminal guidance for conventional BVRAAM's like Aim 7 or R27, while for LOAL missiles Aim120's, R77's Meteors need two way data link till the terminal phase, which means integrating the the communications of missile transmitter with the onboard radar and mission computer. Existence of FFLS/Modbus/Link 16 comm protocol further complicates any communication, without datalink there is not much can be done to integrate such dissimilar systems.

But the interesting takeaway is , for LOAL missiles there is always possibility that the launch platform doesn't need to be around to paint the target, technically a F15 running high alt CAP can very much guide a Aim120C/D launched by a F16 running a low altitude interception.