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Afghanistan: Risking a Collapse

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Another excellent piece here by Anatol Lieven on The New York Review of Books.

excerpts below:

What on earth is Hamid Karzai up to? When I visited Afghanistan in October, most people with whom I spoke assumed that the Afghan president would resist signing a long-term military basing agreement with the United States until the Loya Jirga (grand national assembly) had approved it. At that point, having burnished his credentials as an Afghan nationalist, it was thought that he would sign, since the Loya Jirga would give him cover and since he must know that the entire future of his state and his own Pashtun ethnic group probably depends on it. But now that the Loya Jirga has approved the agreement, Karzai has instead announced he might not sign until after the presidential election in April—thereby putting at risk the willingness of the US and the West to remain engaged in Afghanistan at all.

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The most important question about the election, touching on Afghanistan’s long-term survival as a country, concerns the Pashtuns, the powerful ethnic group to which Karzai belongs and from which the Taliban also draw most of their support. At about 45 percent of the population according to most estimates—most Pashtuns themselves believe they are in a large majority—the Pashtuns are the country’s largest ethnic group. But they must vie for power with Tajiks, who make up another 30 percent or so, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and other groups. Will the Pashtuns accept a non-Pashtun (or someone seen as non-Pashtun) as president? And if not, how much rigging will be necessary to ensure a Pashtun victory, and what will be necessary to reconcile the losers?

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All in all, then, the election is not going to be a pretty sight; and Karzai may perhaps imagine that his signature on the basing agreement with the US could be decisive in getting the Obama administration to ignore the less savory aspects of the contest and accept the outcome that he desires.

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In other words, the choice Afghanistan faces is not between some idealized version of Western democracy and a corrupt Afghan state; it is between a corrupt but more or less consensual Afghan state and the horrors of no state at all. Nor should it ever be forgotten that the US and the West bear much of the blame for what happened after 1992. Washington and its allies stuffed the Mujahedin parties with arms and money, helped to block any chance of a peace settlement between them and the Afghan government, and then lost any pretense of interest in what happened to Afghanistan the moment the Soviets withdrew.

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Pakistan save your arse, go radio silent, let Afghanistan's 'real friends' deal with it, when it hits the fan.

Lets pull the red card to Afghanistan and refuse to play ANY role, positive or negative. We should only protect our vital interests by targeting individuals who pose a threat to us, when its the final solution.

Other than that, lets stay the faqOUT of this basket case. Lets allow others to taste the Afghan water....we have had enough of this 'brotherhood synderome'....kill it!
 
Another excellent piece here by Anatol Lieven on The New York Review of Books.

excerpts below:

What on earth is Hamid Karzai up to? When I visited Afghanistan in October, most people with whom I spoke assumed that the Afghan president would resist signing a long-term military basing agreement with the United States until the Loya Jirga (grand national assembly) had approved it. At that point, having burnished his credentials as an Afghan nationalist, it was thought that he would sign, since the Loya Jirga would give him cover and since he must know that the entire future of his state and his own Pashtun ethnic group probably depends on it. But now that the Loya Jirga has approved the agreement, Karzai has instead announced he might not sign until after the presidential election in April—thereby putting at risk the willingness of the US and the West to remain engaged in Afghanistan at all.

...

The most important question about the election, touching on Afghanistan’s long-term survival as a country, concerns the Pashtuns, the powerful ethnic group to which Karzai belongs and from which the Taliban also draw most of their support. At about 45 percent of the population according to most estimates—most Pashtuns themselves believe they are in a large majority—the Pashtuns are the country’s largest ethnic group. But they must vie for power with Tajiks, who make up another 30 percent or so, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and other groups. Will the Pashtuns accept a non-Pashtun (or someone seen as non-Pashtun) as president? And if not, how much rigging will be necessary to ensure a Pashtun victory, and what will be necessary to reconcile the losers?

...

All in all, then, the election is not going to be a pretty sight; and Karzai may perhaps imagine that his signature on the basing agreement with the US could be decisive in getting the Obama administration to ignore the less savory aspects of the contest and accept the outcome that he desires.

...

In other words, the choice Afghanistan faces is not between some idealized version of Western democracy and a corrupt Afghan state; it is between a corrupt but more or less consensual Afghan state and the horrors of no state at all. Nor should it ever be forgotten that the US and the West bear much of the blame for what happened after 1992. Washington and its allies stuffed the Mujahedin parties with arms and money, helped to block any chance of a peace settlement between them and the Afghan government, and then lost any pretense of interest in what happened to Afghanistan the moment the Soviets withdrew.

...
There is absolutely no risk for a collapse!
 
Pakistan should get over with obssesion of possible collapse of Afghanistan after 2014 or in the future.

*Fence and than mine the border with afghanistan.
*Ban nato aswell as afghan civilian supply line.
*Decrease as much possible the movement of the people across the durrand line especially balochistan as balochistan is witnessing a huge surge in pashtun population which is only because now afghan refugees are getting Pak citizenship while having a balochistan domicile.i personally know such many people having not only KPK domicile but even balochistan now
 
There is absolutely no risk for a collapse!

When almost every International source/think tanks and overwhelming majority of defense analysts , journalists on both sides of the Durand Line and assorted others are convinced that if U.S. and the coalition draws down completely or reduces its presence considerably , there is going to be an imminent collapse , return to the same old civil war between militias and warlords and these days of some uneasy peace and this " Palace Govt " will be over , you living in Afghanistan and seeing all things with your own eyes are declaring that there is " absolutely no risk " for collapse , really ? After all , even the Soviets left a Govt and a heavily armed army and we all know the end result and the subsequent " Peshawar accords " and the civil war in Afghanistan . Is it optimism to the point of foolishness ? Do you even know your own country's history ? I guess no .
 

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