Afghanistan quagmire

[Shamain]

Guys its a serious question and indian trolls you just stay away from this thread, noone is seeking your views.
I wanted to know that almost every other day we get to hear of bombings in afghanistan. Though yesterday IS claimed responsibility.
But i really dont understand exactly who are these carrying out almost daily attacks.
Idont think blaming afghan talib for everyrhing is right,
But anyways,i really want to know, who are and how many players are their on afghan soil and whats their purpose in doing this?
I mean every next day these ****do attacks ,what is the reason for them to do that ? And also that it kills innocent civilians.
Serious replies appreciated by Pakistanis only.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

18th April 2015's Dr shahid masood. he did talk on this topic and Ahmed qureshi from Express news ... you will get yoru answers

 

[Shamain]

I dont like shahid masood. But ok fine. But i still want to hear from ppl here.

How they analyze it

 

[A-Team]

I think this topic should be in the Afghan section of the forum. Folks who are interested on the subject usually respond and post topics there.

Many thanks.

 

[Shamain]

I think this topic should be in the Afghan section of the forum. Folks who are interested on the subject usually respond and post topics there.

Many thanks.

I just visited afghan def forum and honestly there are no replies in almost any thread.
Plz if u have something to share then plz do add your valuable input here. Thx

 

[Zhukov]

Bro first heed my advice. "Stay away from conspiracy theorists" if you want to start studying this subject.

First of all you must understand that Afgnaistan have been subject to a devastating civil for for most of the period during last 30 years on mercy of foreign forces.
See local authorities are the only option if you want to control and clean your territory. Armies can only do one thing and that is a wipeout or at best clinical targeting and that's what they are trained for.
Take our western border for example. Lack of proper law and order infrastructure there have caused chaos. Compare our western border regions to eastern and southern parts of the country.
See those Tribal areas and baluchistan is riddled with independent militias. And as such those militias are often used by enemies to fulfill there agendas in return of money and resources.

Now to your question. Afghanistan is recovering and consolidating but still its in bad shape. TALIBAN for now is just a militia adherent to radical jihadi ideology same as ISIS and Alqaeda. They do not envision a modern country development education infrastructure or any such thing. All they want is war and a primitive society which they believe is Islamic.

And Taliban militia it is comprised of many tribal warlords combined for a single purposes but not adhering a strict authority or mission
So their capabilities can be used by many forces.

As a Pakistani we should support Kabul government and not these rag tag jihadis. they want nothing but destruction. And There mod of operations is same as our TTP. They even condemned and condoled the death of Hakimullah Mehsud and Beitullah Mehsud so come out of dillusion that Taliban are good guys or freedom fighters.

 

[Zhukov]

Pakistan have changed its policy toward Taliban. And so should we as a nation. They started as a peace movement to consolidate war torn Afghanistan but fell in hands of Alqaeda and now they are beyond saving because arrogance have no cure. They think they are the ultimate soldiers of Allah and we are slaves of USA. They don't believe in UN or any other modern day institution holding world peace.
Afghanistan is an open arena for all regional players. Indians will use there resources to hurt Pakistan. Pakistan will do the same against india. US will have its own goals. So does Iranis and Russians.
But Afghanistan as a whole is moving in right direction to become a modern state.
And if we want to stop Afghanistan becoming next Iraq and Taliban becoming the next ISIS right in our Backyard then we should support Kabul with full of our resources to stand up on its feet and consolidate Afghanistan into a stable country and fighting against rebel groups like Taliban to lay arms and become part of the government and support a modern state of Afghanistan

 

[Shamain]

Pakistan have changed its policy toward Taliban. And so should we as a nation. They started as a peace movement to consolidate war torn Afghanistan but fell in hands of Alqaeda and now they are beyond saving because arrogance have no cure. They think they are the ultimate soldiers of Allah and we are slaves of USA. They don't believe in UN or any other modern day institution holding world peace.
Afghanistan is an open arena for all regional players. Indians will use there resources to hurt Pakistan. Pakistan will do the same against india. US will have its own goals. So does Iranis and Russians.
But Afghanistan as a whole is moving in right direction to become a modern state.
And if we want to stop Afghanistan becoming next Iraq and Taliban becoming the next ISIS right in our Backyard then we should support Kabul with full of our resources to stand up on its feet and consolidate Afghanistan into a stable country and fighting against rebel groups like Taliban to lay arms and become part of the government and support a modern state of Afghanistan

Afghan talibs are totally anti isis and dont seem to share same crap ideologies.
What afghan people want? Democratic rule or talib rule?

Anymore responses folks in here?

 

[Zhukov]

They want a stable and prosperous Afghanistan. And it is not possible under Taliban Rule. Do you see those afghans around who always keep bashing Pakistan? do you know why they hate us? because we supported Taliban which they believe destroyed their country.

And They are exactly like ISIS. Read what they did to Captives of Tajik forces and shias when they were in power. Nobody recognised their government exept Pakistan Saudi Arabia and UAE. And that was for a reason

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

They want a stable and prosperous Afghanistan. And it is not possible under Taliban Rule. Do you see those afghans around who always keep bashing Pakistan? do you know why they hate us? because we supported Taliban which they believe destroyed their country.

And They are exactly like ISIS. Read what they did to Captives of Tajik forces and shias when they were in power. Nobody recognised their government exept Pakistan Saudi Arabia and UAE. And that was for a reason

I am not supporter of Talibs but the fact is Talib did not destroy their country, it was afghan qabayil itself before russia and after russia, matter fact talib brought the peace we can argue over how they brought and its implications but they did stable afghan for few years till 9 11.
and sometimes you have to accept the governtments when you know that it can destablize you .. look whats happening now.. American brought peace? whos effecting from their destability? whos using them now?
its not simple to answer as yes or no.

 

[Shamain]

I am not supporter of Talibs but the fact is Talib did not destroy their country, it was afghan qabayil itself before russia and after russia, matter fact talib brought the peace we can argue over how they brought and its implications but they did stable afghan for few years till 9 11.
and sometimes you have to accept the governtments when you know that it can destablize you .. look whats happening now.. American brought peace? whos effecting from their destability? whos using them now?
its not simple to answer as yes or no.

Good points.

 

[Asian.Century]

Last two weeks since Mullah death announcement, Kabul and Afghan govt has been blasted with bombs by Taliban....whats going on there?

 

[Shamain]

Last two weeks since Mullah death announcement, Kabul and Afghan govt has been blasted with bombs by Taliban....whats going on there?

Me too curious.

 

[Asian.Century]

Afghanistan: Taliban suicide bomb attack near Kabul airport

A Taliban suicide bomber has attacked a checkpoint near the entrance to the international airport in the Afghan capital Kabul, killing five people.

Local officials said at least 16 people were injured in the blast.

The incident is the latest in a series of recent deadly attacks following the announcement of a new Taliban leader. Talking after the attack, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani accused Pakistan of sending "messages of war" and harbouring terrorist training camps.

Kabul's deputy police chief, Sayed Gul Agha Rouhani, told reporters that a suicide bomber had driven a vehicle into the first checkpoint on the road into the airport.

Images showed a large plume of smoke rising from the site of the blast and locals reported seeing ambulances approaching the scene.

A Taliban spokesman said the attack, which happened at about midday (07:30 GMT), targeted a convoy of foreigners.

But officials said the five people killed included four civilians and a border police officer.

Wahidullah Mayar, a spokesman for the public health ministry, said a young child was among those injured in the explosion.

The airport was closed for several hours.

'We hoped for peace'

Pakistan has historically backed the Taliban and since coming to power last year, President Ghani has sought Islamabad's support in his bid to kick-start peace talks with the militants.

But at a news conference on Monday, he attacked Pakistan.

"The last few days have shown that suicide bomber training camps and bomb-producing factories which are killing our people are as active as before in Pakistan," Mr Ghani said.



"We hoped for peace but we are receiving messages of war from Pakistan. We can no longer see our people bleeding in a war that is exported from outside," he added.

The bombing comes after several recent deadly attacks in Afghanistan's capital

An American soldier was killed in an attack on a Nato base in Kabul on Friday

Monday's Taliban attack came after three deadly attacks on Friday that killed at least 50 people.

A suicide bomber blew himself up near the city's police academy on Friday evening, killing about 20 recruits.

A short while later, gunmen launched an attack on Camp Integrity, a Nato base that houses US special forces near the airport.

Eleven people, including an American soldier and eight contractors, were killed in the attack on the base.

Earlier on Friday, a truck carrying explosives was detonated near an army base in the Shah Shahid area of the capital, claiming 15 lives.

The Taliban said it was behind the attack on the police academy but did not mention the two other incidents.

'Succession battle'

A top UN official said the attacks were likely to be the product of a Taliban power struggle following the death of the group's leader Mullah Omar.

"We suspect the upsurge in violence may be triggered by the succession battle within the Taliban," Nicholas Haysom, the head of the UN mission in Afghanistan, told the BBC on Saturday.

Last week, the Taliban released a video in which they showed members of the group pledging allegiance to the new leader, Mullah Akhtar Mansour.

But analysts suggest there has been infighting within the group between supporters and opponents of Mansour.

The Taliban's announcement that Mullah Omar had died led to a tentative peace process being suspended last week.

Afghanistan: Taliban suicide bomb attack near Kabul airport - BBC News