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I still don't understand the whole "Saudi Arabia will use their Leopard 2A6 tanks to repress the population!" as though using a multimillion dollar main battle tank against civilians is in any way economically feasible....I mean, we'd just use our old M60s and AMX30s for that kind of work if it...

Aren't they reaching the end of their service life? Some of those airframes have been bending Gs since the Early 80s!

Can we please leave the religion out of the footy thread please? :undecided: Anyways, Congrats to Iraq! I'm still proud of our boys for all that they achieved despite injuries and absences.

I frankly do not see a Two-state solution ever coming into existence any time in the future. I don't expect there to be Saudi-Israeli conflict though. What I'm worried about is the mentioned lack of experience. Saudi Arabia has proven very reluctant to get its hands dirty in actual conflict and...

While the American economy is slowing down, the universities of the United States are still the envy of the world. It will take some time for China, or any nation, to surpass them.

I always really liked a move away from the USA as our prime supplier but even with all these moves....I doubt the US influence will go away altogether. There is no country in the world with the force projection powers of the United States and the Royal Family counts on the support of the US to...

The Canards are a liability to the stealth capability of the J-20. And just because a plane CAN preform a variety of missions, doesn't mean it should. I mean, the F-15C can carry unguided bombs but....you wouldn't really want to put it as a bomber (F-15E on the other hand....)

Well....the period right after the Gulf War was a bad time for the Saudi economy, with a lot of budget deficits and the period after it seemed like it would be secure with us buying from our regular sources. I'm guessing the unreliability of the current US administration made these moves happen.

The Arabian Shield area in the Hijaz is criminally under appreciated. As a child, I once visited the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology in Alberta, Canada. It is known for having one of the largest collections of fossils in the world (over 130'000!) All from the surrounding Alberta Badlands...

Yes, I agree about the timing with the JF-17 interest is not a coincidence. I think it's because Boeing purchased all the local aerospace firms to deny BAE the ability to manufacture Typhoons in-country. Perhaps a joint venture with IPTN and PAC to form a new production base in Saudi Arabia is...

They are not the same. F-35 is a multirole aircraft while the J-20 is a very large interceptor built for a specific purpose. Also, I don't think the Typhoon is a good replacement for the Tornado. It's rather being used to replace the F-5 and F-15C in the air superiority role. The Tornado IDS is...

Great to see Saudi Arabia partnering up with our brothers in SEA. I think Saudi Arabia will be mostly after the Indonesian Aerospace expertise in producing the CN-235. We're already licence building several European Assault Rifles at the Al Kharj Arsenal which I think is causing some logistics...

Any word on what is going to happen to the F-15Cs?

Unfortunately, I think Iraq is going to take the U-22 Asian Championship what with our injuries and all but 2nd place is not a bad place to be for our boys and the future of the senior NT looks bright!

I really hope the cost upgrade is for adding an AESA radar. That's the only thing missing from the JF-17's capabilities.

Indeed, hopefully Saudi Arabia can order up some AESA radars to plug into the fighters. An AESA equipped JF-17 would make an excellent low cost lightweight fighter. Dude, I live in Riyadh. We don't have AL Baik either. :(

F-5's coming offline and Tornado IDS also getting retired within the next decade (putting bombing tasks on the F-15SA fleet), the JF-17 is a great lightweight fighter akin to the F-5 Tiger II (or dare I say...the F-20 Tigershark?) that can be a "workhorse" plane: covering gaps and supporting the...

Domestic flights will not disappear, but they obviously will decrease the massive reliance Saudia has on domestic flights. The comparison was made for the following reason: To show that a fast train system only 10-15% the size of an established train system in another country has the capability...

I have yet to receive any good reason why we would need the subs. I keep bringing up points and you keep linking me to posts that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. It simply seems the overriding logic is "We need subs because they are cool". We need mastery of the seas? I agree...

This must be a new Saudi building record. Usually it takes fucking forever to build these projects. I also see they got rid of the stupid athletic track around the pitch like in other stadiums. Hopefully, it will be like that for all future stadiums.