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In general the AKP rolls like that. Always so reactionary. Such a stupid way of governing One Minute!

You guys get soo caught up on things. Why the hell does it matter that someone started this blah blah blah. I know you mean me, buzz off. I'm just saying. If having a better airforce came down to buying 200 hundred cheap fighters (Yes, fighter planes ARE CHEAP COMPARED TO THE OTHER CRAP...

No one is "freaking out", yes but there's no reason the Turkish FM needs to even comment on something that's such a rumor. Also. People do and have freaked out before. Remember how the USA had to restrain Israel desperately so the Gulf War wouldn't lose Arab support? @500 could probably tell...

They're not strong enough to challenge Israel because Israel is actually willing to use their military. They talk crap on Turkey because our Sultan can't do anything.

They might not be downgraded but he has a point. At the end of the official press release of all Foreign Military Sales contracts to the Middle East, it always mentions that the sale will not affect Israeli qualitative superiority.

Exactly and Saudi Arabia isn't a secular country. The Muslim Ally card can be played. I'm glad they discriminate against Turkey. It just gives our population time to realize the EU is a bad idea. On top of that, selling weapons to KSA isn't like selling them to Pakistan. We might even be...

This is the most pathetic thing about the Muslim world. Anytime Israel is involved, whoever is slightly aligned with them freaks out and starts bashing them just to distance themselves. I have no problem if Turkey let Israel use our base in this instance.

Lol. Is this a joke? Mig-21s were obsolete YEARS ago haha

Guys. I'm not bringing Turkey into it to make a KSA vs Turkey thread. I'm just saying, there are things other than raw fighter jets that go into the equation. Turkey was brought up because obviously I'm Turkish but also because we mainly operate F-16s -Logistics : I'm not really familiar with...

Yeah, I also think that in terms of making a point, Saudi Arabia should be buying tanks from a fellow muslim nation. I'm doing well man, just haven't been posting much since, as you've probably noticed, the Turkish industry has been a little quiet recently :D

I don't think the United States will sell F-35s to Saudi Arabia within the next two decades. They're too advanced and the Saudi military is already strong enough to serve its purpose for the Americans (equipment wise. Training and doctrine must be improved probably) Guys. Stop comparing IAF...

@Yzd Khalifa , If KSA buys these tanks are Altays still a possibility? I remember some saudi member (maybe you?) saying the Altay was to be used to replace older tanks on less important fronts?

That's not entirely true. They COULD use that as an excuse not to sell it but most of the range limitations are self imposed and check this article out. S.Korea missile range

East Turkestan, not south :)

I'm not that familiar with Egyptian politics. Many people came out and said that there would not be a civil war say in, Turkey when the protests happening because obviously thats not close to happening in Turkey. Nobody is ruling that out in Egypt though unfortunately and that's what scares me...

Not that they can walk into Syria, Iraq, Iran. It's that they were allowed and encouraged by said countries. You don't think Israel would be fine by Egypt being weakened by a civil war?

Pan-Turkism can be handled in a way that won't **** the Bear and Tiger off though. Think about it for a second, how difficult it would be to "annex" all the way to China? Nah. The most we can hope to achieve is South and North Azerbaijan, plus a EU style thing with other Turkic countries, which...

That's open for interpretation. It depends on the nature of the war, I mean if it's mainly naval good luck. But yes, we saw in Korea that China's very basic (no offense) army at the time was still able to repel the UN forces all the way to the 38th, but then again, while China is stronger now...

Hmm. What if Egyptian Army tactics were interpreted as heavy handed by Islamists? That could mobilize enough people for an insurgency. Keep in mind it only takes several thousand people to keep an insurgency going for decades (PKK for example)

Ah, it doesn't come across easily in text :D