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You guys can argue all you want trying to appear civilised or in the spirit of "let's talk about it in general terms". This is simply not the case. Martian is over simplifying generic ideas to apply them into a very very very difficult problem. One of the basic approaches in solving...

First of all mister, it is not anti-china rhetoric. And if anyone is a troll , it is you. your theories are at best laughable, and I tried to give them some basis for argument at least, but you are just conjuring things out of thin air. No basis whatsoever. A mix of things put together than...

haha, it ain't the same and you know it. stop selling it. and you example is not suitable.. think about it. (see ..and no insults in my answer) you really can't see the flaw in your reasoning???

Tell me oh wise and knowledgeable one. How will your model distinguish between the raw data of (and I am being lenient here) two F-22s feeding your system. I'll save you the trouble, it can't !

I believed I started questioning my sanity when he proposed chinese to use statistical mean to extrapolate a "tracking" for an F-22. I really don't know what to say.

I think you must have heard wrong Gambit, or must have served in a naive service like me (no wonder since we follow your doctrine mostly) survivability is not what you think apparently, neither is what air forces demand on paper when the issue letters of interest on particular requirements...

In practice however, we all know you are theorising things out of thin air and pretty much nothing you say makes scientific sense. Triangulation ?? what are we going to see next ? Oh I know.. let me suggest a novel and ingenious way to detect the F-22. how about that.. no triangulation...

i find this post offensive

i am not in a really good position to say. As a greek i have seen manifestations of turkish aggression. i was in the military. on the other hand most of the turkish military efforts are aimed towards greece. I don't see why. Greece has never demanded anything from Turkey in any way. It seems to...

No i wouldn't Your positions are very well understood by most Greeks and the Greek government. What I am saying is that it is most of the turkish members in this forum that do not understand both turkish and greek positions on the matter. For Greeks the bottom line is simple, although Turkey...

I am sorry you seem to not have read even the wiki very well. Even a questionable wiki presented by you, doesn't provide enough support for violations of Greek space. and by the way I was not referring to Turkey's position on this forum, but of the forum members. I already stated in my post...

you are misinformed on both counts. The topic has been exhausted in previous discussions were I presented international law and both parties (turkey and greece) positions' very clearly and If I may say so I got no convincing arguments other than "this is our position no matter what you say" ...

Greek F-16s engaged and decimated american F-15s in Red Flag. One Greek F-16 even tracked (but not locked on) an F-22 with its IRIS-T missiles. I wouldn't simply dismiss the abilities of the F-16. Especially since Israel has F-16s I am sure they have scored many kills during training. ahmm...

all things being equal, it is not YOUR airspace. It is Cypriot airspace which Turkey occupies. Just to keep things under perspective. ;)

then perhaps Greece should do the same with your planes that infiltrate our space 25 times a day huh ? ?? ?? ? clever guy you are it seems !!!

no he simply implies that making jet engines is not like making pies.

you mean eyeball and rough paper calculations don't count? aaa.... things get weirder and weirder on this forum by the day.

Seriously ??? to travel 3 times longer, it needs to have 3 times larger fuel tanks? Which planet did you come from? the terms engine efficiency, drag, sustain military thrust consumption, operational load capacity mean nothing to you?

I don't know to be honest.

We have been through this a few times over. It is an understandable way to think, but it is a very old way to think. Many years have passed. Cyprus is now an EU member. What you fear could never happen. Also Turkey believes that Greek-cypriots and Greece have the same ties Turkish-cypriots and...