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The most detailed official statement came from the Defence Minister who said that there was damage to the nose cone of one SAAB - damage had been assessed and was deemed repairable in house although the aircraft would be sent abroad so repairs could be checked. No official source has ever...

So your position is that the numerous and experienced aviation journalists with exceptional subject knowledge and the many reputable publications they work for are ALL WRONG to say that J-10B will be as capable as F-16E Block 60 and latest European offerings???!!! They are basing their EXPERT...

The same report can be printed in ten different papers - doesn't change anything. Douzens of reports were printed not only in Pakistani but also international media quoting Pak defence minister as saying only repairable damage to nose of one aircraft -- did that mean that everyone on this board...

For those who have been preying for max damage to the Saab fleet from the start - including those who had stated as a matter of fact that 2 Saabs were 'toast' and third badly damaged at the outset and based on 'inside info'-- this Jang report is 'proof' that at least one Saab was damaged beyond...

Many an independant source / publications has stated that J-10B is expected to be as capable as the F-16E Block 60. Now as painfull as that maybe for some - that level of capability means that it can't be too far off when compared to a Rafale or Typhoon. As for hopes that China will stop...

Thanks God that you have come down from claiming that 2 Saabs are toast and a third is damaged and refuting every official statement - to now accepting that there is damage to one aircraft only as per official statements at the time - good to see you get there in the end. Don't go OTT on the...

Incursion by 'ind'??? When did that happen? We all know about the afghan border issues which are complicated and we know about the unexpected incursion by US but keep wet dreams about 'ind' incursions to yourself. Almost all Pakistan assets including AWACS are for detterance to 'ind' and they...

My personal view remains that the official version is correct - ie repairable damage to one aircraft. I'm speculating but perhaps PAF's reasons for being so tright lipped on the subject is to limit feedback / info for the Taliban. The forces appear very concerned about further attacks. I found...

You are entitled to your view as I am to mine. To me someone who posted online to say that he spoke to someone at IDEAS 2012 and that person said XYZ is not reliable. To me someone posting online saying their 'source' which they cannot name said XYZ is not reliable. If you feel such sources...

So according to your 'source' -- they are managing to keep this all under wraps? No doubt aquiring parts, expertise - even a full conversion and yet not a bit of news. Nothing even from the Swedes or international media. Hell of a conspiracy!

Looks like I'm not the only one who 'don't pay attention to what others are saying' --- What happened to your statement that the Mehran base commander did not go for 5-8 months ---- when in fact he was suspended within days of the attack??? Why is the Kamra commander still in his place if he let...

'Mainstream local' - what does that mean? And what rumour got denied -- please post link to denial. Ok let us establish who is the real LIAR and who's mentality and thought process should be questioned. So you say that the Mehran Base Commander was not removed for 5-8 months eh?? A simple...

There is no denial from PAF simply because NOBODY in mainstream media - local or international has given any credit / time to this rumour which is by and large limited to forums like this. Should we expect PAF to line up its assets to disprove rumours on forums? Why is the same base commander...

I'll copy paste my post on this topic from a few pages ago..........anyone can say anything on a forum. Best bet is to look at what you know for a FACT and make your own mind up................. For those who continue to try to convince us that 1 SAAB was destroyed and 2 SAABS were damaged...

As usual there is a distinct lack of logic / common sense / explanation in your post. Please give specific details of where / how current and former ACM's were 'criminally negligent'.?? Which aircraft 'of choice' did the PAF lose the oppertunity to get and when?? PAF decieved the French and...

Former PAF ACM is on record as saying that J-10 is a great potential platform for the PAF, that Pakistan has requested China to make various 'Improvements' to it before PAF will induct it, that AESA is a key requirement for the type------- then in a different interview he stated that Pakistans...

You need to go check your timelines - latest news is that Indian fifth gen will suffer heavy delay due to Indias insistance on having its own input. They will be lucky if they get 1 or 2 not fully capable aircraft by end of 2017 - hardly 'total superiority' is it?

In total PAF is well on the way to having 60+ very capable AMRAAM equiped F-16's - not just 18. 50 odd JF-17's are already delivered with the next batch of 50 already signed up for. Every new type and many old types can be called ' unproven ' -- doesn't mean anything more than a bit of comfort...

For aircraft carriers - your point is valid, for nuclear subs not nearly as valid and for 5th gen fighters totaly invalid. 5th gen fighters are surely expensive but to have the capability you do not need to match fighter numbers - a squadron or two will do just fine. Despite financial contraints...

Suggest you look at the serial numbers and go figure where they were built -- No's 128, 130 etc used at Dubai airshow were built at PAC.