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For the Pak-Fa to stand a chance, doesn't it require a massive leap of faith in regards to low observably? Legacy fighters maybe outmatched by the Russian aircraft, but it will find itself in the same situation an f-16 or even mig-21 would. That maybe an exaggeration, but it doesn't change the...

When people from the government speak of the lack of tax collection in Pakistan, it shows the inherent need of the political elites to always be perceived as the victims. Victims of the Pakistani populace. If the politicians are to believed then all of Pakistan's problems could be solved were...

Hey Gambit, Was hoping you could answer a few questions that came to mind while reading your previous post: Granted the LO characteristics give the f-35 a major advantage over all legacy fighters. But what about situational awareness? It has long been touted as it's biggest strength. If the...

Half of Pakistan's population could be arrested and it still wouldn't make one iota of difference. The problems in our society run far deeper. Pakistan as a nation is at a crossroads. A significant part of the population has fallen in line behind a religious cause that few actually understand...

I think it is justified to feel that way and I expected as much when I made that comment. I realize that there are Muslims who have wholeheartedly earned what I believe is not representative of us all. I don't expect others to devote their life to understanding Muslims, but I don't agree with...

I would have liked to attempt to clear up what I believe are your misconceptions about Islam. But as I started writing I realized, the fact that I would have to make said attempt even with the existence of large Muslim populations all over the world is far more telling than anything I could have...

While funny to some, I find the very existence of such views deeply disturbing. Living in the west, I worry what can compel a man to lump a billion odd people, spread across the global and of different colors and cultures, into one easily identifiable group of savages? To go as far as to call...

Great points Mr. MastanKhan. Its interesting that Islamic law and a drive towards a wider Islamization is seen as a crucial pillar of prosperity by many. What causes confusion is the very idea of what a Pakistani is. Let us assume, 95% of Pakistanis are Muslims; are the Hindus, Christians and...

At what point will the PAF be answerable to the general public, or at least the handful that pay taxes? For an Air Force to lose its most expensive asset, at a time when it has virtually no funds to procure anything else, is absolutely embarrassing. The IAF planners would have accounted for the...

What a completely fool proof plan. Train kids to fight a war, let said kids die in the war, then vilify the enemy for slaughtering children. It's ironic that an organization that portrays itself as the savior and defender of Palestinians would willingly place a target on the backs of children...

When I first heard about the concept of an Air Force directly involved in the development of a fighter aircraft, it set the alarm bells ringing. That initial shock doesn't seem unwarranted when the PAF seems directly involved in marketing and selling aircraft and hasn't exactly done the best...

That's an astute observation. I may have done, what is akin to cherry picking facts. If there is a defense, then it was my interest in (relatively) fast tracking the argument I was presenting. I already have a tendency to write in a 1000 words what more capable members can explain in 200. While...

The Egyptian Air Force is an example of the benefits of allying one's self with the Americans. They have a massive f-16 force, albeit one with severely limited capability. But a nation cannot traitorously switch sides and then be expected to be trusted fully; especially when it's hobby was to...

I would not disagree with that at all. I appreciate your point. Where it divulges from mine is that you present figures from a time period where the war on terror ramped up. The last few years have been a disaster, with not only a rising extremist problem, but also the disintegration of Balochi...

Sigh...you claim to have read what I wrote, then ignored everything that was written. I have never claimed the civilian leadership has been anything but incompetent; I actually conceded that much. But that should not allow the army to wash its' hands of the sins it has committed. I normally...

You realize you just murdered the concept of correlation. In your haste to blame the civilian leadership for picking incompetent generals, you overlooked why such events ever came to pass. Why would a Pakistani Prime Minister willingly and significantly weaken the war fighting capability of his...

Hmm...the answers to all your questions are present in your post. Why would the US sell us fighters if the end result will be their use against American allies? The thinking that your post represents is precisely why there are restrictions. Restrictions that are relevant only if your goal is to...

Ah yes, my absolute favorite kind of thread. Where a bunch of people convince themselves that they have put in great effort and time in getting to know others, and have found their views mysteriously confirmed. Wow, its amazing how even the educated lose all sanity when faced with the unknown...

I, for one, hope we never see those aircraft again. Assuming they operate as USN aggressors, they will have been put through numerous hours under extreme conditions that will have left the fuselage with less life than our own f-16s, which were produced before them. Those aircraft are lost...

This post has to be the preeminent argument against the critics(myself included) of the jf-17. The Kargil scenario must weigh heavily on the minds of the PAF, since it relegated the force to a nonentity in the conflict. The limitations imposed by the restrictive sanctions and technologically...