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But this is exactly the problem, the Americans refuse to use logic when it comes to dealings with Pakistan. Domestic lobbies play games to garner greater votes, but think nothing of long term repercussions of their actions. The Americans tend to push Pakistan away and then cry foul every time we...

hasnain0099, My worry remains the up and down relationship between Pakistan and US. The SABR AESA is a perfect example of an ideal upgrade in a few years, but would such upgrades even be allowed? The Americans usually have no problem allowing upgrades to f-16s in Europe since they are able to...

Seriously? Are you talking about Islam? Sounds more like the romanticized ideology engineered by the Wahabis. It has takin the real culture of many muslim nations back a 100 years as we fight for the most basic of rights against illogical claims from history that have no relevance today...sigh.

Though I agree with you, we are all hoping PAF moves away from the f-16 and as this happens, its importance in our fleet will decrease...also as the USAF retires f-16s, it seems unlikely they will be up for the radical upgrades that will be required to keep up with the Rafale. We dont have the...

People always resist change in any form, justifying it with illogical ideals that are no longer of any relevance. I dont understand why India does not have a permanent seat...with 1/6 of the worlds population, a rapidly expanding economy...it is only a matter of time before India is a major...

The only reason this thread has been going on for so long is that people from both sides deal in absolute terms...some Indians are refusing to accept the f-16 is even capable of shooting down a Gnat, while some Pakistani members have convinced themselves that the Rafale is merely a European...

When it comes to military ventures, most countries defy all economic principals in their drive to build a self sufficient military empire. It is only logical as the world becomes more global, even large military powers will outsource some of their needs to outside contractors. It just doesnt...

Oh man, many of us Karachites struggle with even understanding Punjabi. I, myself, am completely hopeless at it...there are some words similar to their urdu counterparts...which is as far as my ability to understand Punjabi goes.

What people are overlooking is the advantage of procuring more of the same platform, since UAE has the requisite maintenance experience on the block 60s...with the training programs, experienced pilots and mechanics in place, why would they not go for the f-16. It also has a functioning AESA...

I see your point...but there must be some sort of advantage the Europeans must have from having developed advanced fighter aircraft since the very inception of planes in warfare. But you could be right, there is so little official and authentic information available about the Chinese aircraft...

The idea that the j-10 is ideal for us, while the Rafale or Eurofighter is not, is contradictory in its very nature. So it only makes sense to buy an aircraft that is inferior to it's European counterparts, even if the job performed by both is the same? I agree from a political and monetary...

Shouldnt a shorter war scenario neutralize the numerical superiority to a great extent. In a shorter war, the attrition wont be nearly as big of a deal as it would be if the conflict went on for a few months. Being on the offensive, assuming India throws everything at us, there will be a...

Thank you for your highly interesting insight into the state of our f-16....may I propose you observe and read before making comments that only make you look less intelligent...just advice.:coffee:

There is a great amount of logic to this decision, the Americans think long term when it comes to supplying military hardware, unlike the Europeans and Russians who are virtually willing to do anything to garner export orders. Taiwan's existence is, to a great extent, a product of Chinese...

I want to really comment on such threads and add something worthwhile...but it is hard for me to understand what allows a person to victimize another in such a manner. Think of the 3 year old boy, who's life is forever altered by an event that was of no fault of his own...in a society that often...

The Rafale and Eurofighter maneuvers are unbelievable. So smooth, the Eurofighters superior thrust really shows, its almost seems like the plane is hardly being pushed, yet it can do amazing maneuvers. This is what many of us were hoping would be seen in the jf-17, since it is supposed to have...

This doesnt seem like the smartest idea, carriers are for power projection and Russia has very little power left to project. What are they gonna do? Pressure land locked, former iron curtain, nations with an aircraft carrier in the Arctic Ocean? Russia seems to be trying to preserve its military...

Why has this turned into a competition. Obviously, people from Delhi and Lahore will prefer their own cities...how do you judge one is better? Each city is extremely unique to its people, a reflection of sorts, of their personalities...it magnifies what the people represent. In short, Lahore...

Im not sure if this thread is relevant in this section, but the IAF is becoming increasingly formidable and that is known to all. It is then, of increasing importance for Pakistan to be proactive in countering these threats, instead of the reactionary route that we have followed for years. The...

This is sensationalism at its best. In no way can Pakistan and China defeat the USA, actually, no way can Russia, China, India and Pakistan defeat the USA. Their armed forces are too technologically advanced, their organization to strong and their funding essentially unlimited. And what if in...