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I higly doubt its even on 4,5 level. Its fucking engines are 30 years old designes, for starters.

Yeah, sure, poster for failure.

That too. But it is a groundbreaking endeveour for military aviation industry, almost like it was going from propeler powered engine to the jet powered back in early 20st. So engineers are keeping it safe, not going nuts with its Star Trek designes, but priority is to make the first one of this...

For similiar reasons why first gen of jet fighters Sabre and MiG 15 did.

Sorry, I dont quite follow? Can you be more precise. I reckon its a german phrase, translated to english, so its kinda lost in translation :) In any case, it would be kinda good to have defence secreteary confirmed and in its place, in times of escalating crisis left and right. He was...

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Not a waste. Its the investinment in wider Turkish interests, present and future, as part of the coherent srategy. oh, I just realized I posted it in the wrong thread by mistake. It should be in Syrian one. Sorry @cabatli_53 could you please transfer the posts to the right thread .

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**** House of cards. Trumps admin is almost beyond anything that hollwood could imagine.

Masquerading the YPG Will Not Improve Turkey-US Relations https://thenewturkey.org/masquerading-the-ypg-will-not-improve-turkey-us-relations ------------ On Idlib/Hama front; more of the same, rebels keep waging raids with devestating affects on the manpower of the regimes most capable...

Kerry, Rhodes, McGurk share this resposobility with Obama, of course. He made the final decisions.

Well, with everythign thats heppening in Persian Gulf, where risk for escalatrion is petty big, US would kinda want to have Turkey as a partner, in any capacity, then as a spoiler. :)

and every major power centar in the world knows that. And many of those have their own interested in these arenas that they want to keep and safeguard. And will, some more, some less try to hinder Turkish role and influence there. Anyone think French are happy that turkish maschinery and other...

dont push it. Turkish section is one of the best sections if not the best. With lots of serious members and smart ppl, good info.... ME forum is a shitshow.

. Sure, Turkey is no where near of Meadle East. And Turkish president didn just gave exclusive statment about it. And Morisis overthrow and imprisonment had no impact on Egypt - Turkey relations, turkih foreign affairs. Executon will neather. No conncevtion what so ever. But ok. You d boss

Yes, as a young man. Dictators have these tendecies to get rid of commpetion.Big mistake. But they survied Nasser, Sadat, Mubarak and won the fucking election almost in landslide. UAE price MBZ, admited that he was a member too. Thats why hie is the most er againt them, Aftet Egypt, Tunisa...

I mean, KSA and UAE bankrolled the cuop. US, France, UK gave it international legitimacy and recognized Sissi cupe goverment after watching live on TV execution of worst massacre of civilians in jEgypt modern historx at Raba.. Jonny Kerry even didnt want to call it a coup in official statment...

Sehit Imagine, he stayed president, Egypt and Turkey would be strong allies as they invision it. 2 of 3 most improtant sea passages in the world would be controled by them ( Bosforous and Suez ). There would be no East Med Crisis, I mean, it would, but it would be crisis for Israel and...