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They have referred to a reputable and highly cited paper to estimate the mutation rate. If someone challenges that, we can certainly look at the validity of that challenge. That can be resolved by looking at the haplogroup tree. By looking at the oldest node present in a population, and by...

My dear fellow, I would urge you not to fly off the handle and make personal remarks. Nobody is preventing anybody from posting varying points of view.

Some background: Y-chromosomes are tend to remain unchanged from father to son, whereas mtDNA tend to remain unchanged from mother to daughter. However, the process is not perfect, and mutations tend to occur over a period of time. Here is a good explanation: It appears that the key to the...

If you look at what was written, you will find several new sources, including some which look at Y-chromosome data. And such a compilation has its own value, imho. Feel free to not read it if you please. Fine, we will treat your claims as unsubstantiated for now.

A compilation of various papers over the years: ----------------------------------------------------- The Aryan Invasion Theory is False - Genetic Evidence * No trace of “demographic disruption” in the North-West of the subcontinent between 4500 and 800 BCE; this negates the...

Something more to chew on: A very new (2009) study showing: "no consistent pattern of the exclusive presence and distribution of Y-haplogroups to distinguish the higher-most caste, Brahmins, from the lower-most ones, schedule castes and tribals" and "the autochthonous origin and tribal links...

Cordaux talks about frequency of occurrence in some tribal groups - not diversity. So that does not disprove the observations about diversity in South Asia vis-a-vis Central Asia. Furthermore, Kivisilid mentions several South Indian tribes where M17 is significant, not just the Chenchu.

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It may not have been the objective of his research. But the higher diversity of M17 in South Asia shows that South Asia was the source, not the destination of the migration. Look at the refs to the 2006 papers given in Danino's article. Do take one.

This guy Dr Usman was already in custody for the Marriot attack:

Kivisild's 2003 paper was a very detailed effort. Cordaux's line of argument does not explain the greater diversity of M17 in South Asia, rather than in Central Asia. And there are several papers later than Cordaux's paper which come to an entirely different conclusion. One cannot just...

The Aryan migration theory too, is now disproved. The article by Danino gives very unambiguous verbatim quotations from credible scientific literature. The polemical types like to use ad-hominem arguments, but that is a pretty despicable tactic, imho.

True, Brahmins are not homogenous. The diagram shows that Konkanastha Brahmins (from the Maharashtra coast) are paternally much closer to Sri Lankans than they are to Europeans. Yes, the Aryan invasion theory has pretty much been discarded, except by fringe polemical groups.

^^^ The interesting thing is, that if you do a careful and detailed paternal DNA analysis, the people of the Brahmin caste are much closer to Sri Lankans than they are to Europeans!

GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE By Michel Danino Background Along with the birth of anthropology, the nineteenth century saw the development of semi-scientific to wholly unscientific disciplines, such as anthropometry, craniometry or phrenology. Unquestioningly accepting the prevalent...

That study is a bit dated ... 2001 ... there are more recent studies that do a much more detailed study of paternal DNA lineages, and come to a very different conclusion. Will post later.

Tch tch ... I would recommend a more detached and scientific temper. The source you cite is from a polemical website that shrieks about "Hindutva hatred". You seem to be a bird of a similar feather.

There were various unscientific theories about Aryans that were proposed in the ninteenth century, but the scientific consensus has turned in the past few decades. It's not an issue of pride or lack thereof.

Genetic diversity studies can indeed give a good idea about the direction of migrations. You seem to be unaware of the latest research. Even die-hard supporters of the Aryan Invasion theory have been forced to modify their stand. I will ignore your ad hominem remarks about "right wingers" etc.

That article relies on the Aryan invasion/migration theory, which has now been discredited by modern genetic studies. See The peopling of India - Pragati