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what's with all the dumb threads these days, lol

I never said Jammu was historically important. It wasn't. It was usually lumped in with other important areas like Kashmir or part of greater Punjab. It was sometimes ruled in isolation by local dogri Rajput tribes but due to its small population the area was not that important historically...

True but they don't have a good social standing.

There is difference in looks of Kashmiris and Gujjars and also between Gilgit people and Gujjars/bakkarwals but their present distribution, language and culture indicates a closer affinity to jammu over kashmir/ other dardic areas. The only explanation is strict endogamy.

Poonchis are again more similar to Potoharis, Punjabis, Dogris, etc.. than any dardic group. I highly doubt Gilgitis, and other dardics ever mixed with Gujjars or Bakarwals in significant numbers.

On topic- Pashtuns and Kashmiris have nothing to do with each other. ANy similarities are superficial. Pashtuns are brave warrior people known for their physical prowess while Kashmiris are the opposite. Kashmiris are historically weak, and cowardly albeit, with a more refined culture centred...

Bakarwals and even Gujjars are mostly in Jammu division and are more similar to Jammu people (Dogris) than Kashmiris. They don't have any connection with kashmiris of valley or any dardic groups. Kashmiris don't even like Bakarwals and Gujjars. There is a huge population of them in Jammu city...

LOL @ pashtuns. We Jats can break a skinny pashtun

They might be mongoloid Indians like DOGris

On wikipedia it says that Jaswal are a Rajput Katoch clan from Himachal Pradesh Kangra region which I assumed to be a dogri region. His eyes look very odd with that kind of a slant Wikipedia: The Jaswal Rajputs are a branch of the Katoch clan of Kangra. Their ancestor Raja Purab Chand was a...

There are some dogris in Pakistan like the Jaswal brothers . In general they often have oriental mongoloid looking eyes like Uzair Jaswal which Potoharis don't have

We indeed love chinese but DOGri is a mongol - a different creature altogether. DOGri carries rapist terrorist mongol gene and only knows how to destroy civilized people.

In West Punjab, muslims were in majority so they drove out the hindus and sikhs. In East Punjab, hindus and sikhs were the majority, so they drove out the muslims. But in Jammu, the muslims were in majority. What really should have happened is that all mongol DOGris should have been killed by...

DOGri bastard race a hybrid of punjabi and mongol with barbarian mongol gene. Rootless people.

Well in this massacre, more than 200,000 people were killed. No one knows how many thousands of women were kidnapped and raped. Not to mention the countless number of people who died as a result of dogra state sanctioned murders over more than a century. In Punjab it was both sides who committed...

The problem with this genocide is that since it was carried out with full support of the state and in fact on their orders, hard evidence implicating anyone is hard to come by as it has likely all been destroyed. Punjab was more messy since there was no government except for the outgoing British...

I think it can be called a genocide going by the sheer number of muslims killed. Another source terms it a genocide Jammu Massacre It is one of the least known genocides in the modern history. It was carried out with such a precision that it is difficult to find its traces, except in the...

But the level of barbarity comes in degrees. The author even notes that the violence in Punjab was not as a great as in Jammu. It's clear who is in the wrong here.

Interesting information I found The situation was much the same in Jammu. The danger for Muslims multiplied ‘every hour’ as hordes of Hindu and Sikh refugees started pouring into Jammu from areas that were going to become Pakistan. In April, the first trickle of refugees had already arrived...

Out pakistani brothers are now finding out what the farsis really think of them :lol: there are only two groups of people these farsis hate the most : Arabs and Indians/Pakistanis. Be careful of them and don't trust farsis ever.