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  1. RedBaron

    Who Won the Air War in 1971?

    Not war-monger, just truth-seeker. Read my other posts on the forum - I have argued against war every single time...:angel: But please let's call a spade a spade.... That is why I quoted PAF and Pak Army accounts for this particular thread, not any Indian account. :agree:
  2. RedBaron

    Who Won the Air War in 1971?

    Not all Pakistanis are convinced they won the air war. Here's one PAF officer who thinks PAF performed below par in 1971. Read the full article here: The Fighter Gap - 1 Excerpt: Has the PAF performed well? There has been no critical appraisal. The PAF like the other services must have made...
  3. RedBaron

    Who Won the Air War in 1971?

    The simple answer is IAF had a field day with absolutely no PAF presence during the Longewala operations. An extract from Brig ZA Khan's "The Way It was": The PAF was blamed for not providing the promised air support and jeopardising the whole operation. My younger brother, Squadron...
  4. RedBaron

    Who Won the Air War in 1971?

    The full story behind the funny Beechcraft incident can be found in the article The right stuff in the wrong place - Chuck Yeager's crash landing in Pakistan Washington Monthly, Oct, 1985, by Edward C. Ingraham The right stuff in the wrong place - Chuck Yeager's crash landing in Pakistan...
  5. RedBaron

    What if PAF has to defend on two fronts?

    I can only speak about the US perspective. I live in the US, have extremely close WASP friends, and I've watched the entire 2008 Presidential campaign, the debates, the pundits on all sides (liberal, conservative, moderates). The US people have NO APPETITE for yet another invasion. They are mad...
  6. RedBaron

    The Battle for Bajaur - PA seizes control

    Thanks for the details. Of course, I did not mean to suggest that Pak and its army is similar to the tinpot SViet govt and their army. There is no comparison there. I agree about the far smaller capability and support of Taliban, but some spectacular strikes carried out by them (or by their AQ...
  7. RedBaron

    The Battle for Bajaur - PA seizes control

    I hope you're right in saying the majority of Pashtuns don't support them. I guess preventing Taliban from recruiting from FATA and growing their ranks is key alongwith basic steps to improve living standards in the remote areas - those poor souls have little to begin with, so it should not be...
  8. RedBaron

    Taliban in 72 percent of Afghanistan: report

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  9. RedBaron

    The Battle for Bajaur - PA seizes control

    I'm no expert on FATA/Taliban/Afghan topics, but am a bit of a history buff. When I read about the entrenched insurgents, the madrassahs that spawned them, etc. I can't help noticing the similarity between the Taliban and the Vietcong. In Vietnam, the Vietcong prosecuted the guerilla war (with...
  10. RedBaron

    Every Pakistani should watch this !

    Come on, Webster Tarpley is a jerk who makes his living on conspiracy theories. Check his background: Webster Tarpley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia He mixes fact with fiction to draw his fantasy conclusions. The facts are: 1> Karkare was indeed investigating RSS link to Malegaon blasts...
  11. RedBaron

    Indian parliament considers FBI-style agency

    I can quote your response to argue about any of the following: 1> US 9/11 attacks 2> London Tube bombings 3> Madrid train bombings 4> Assasination of Benazir Bhutto, Pak Army Surgeon General, Ex-Gen Alavi of SSG, etc. etc. The fact is: there is no single agency or group of agencies that can...
  12. RedBaron

    What if PAF has to defend on two fronts?

    Re: missile shield, the most optimistic scenario is Pak complying with all US wishes and in return get rewarded by getting a shield, just like Poland. Bear in mind that Russia is not at all happy about the whole missile shield issue. Pakistan on it's own does not have the resources or...
  13. RedBaron

    What if PAF has to defend on two fronts?

    In the fantasy scenario of Russia/US/Israel/India all attacking Pakistan, the only friend it has would be China which under these circumstances will not move a muscle. The scenarios you describe are "long-tail" scenarios, and statistically speaking, one can assign at the most equal probability...
  14. RedBaron

    What if PAF has to defend on two fronts?

    Obviously, this is real life and there are no quick fixes. Terrorism cannot be switched on and off....and the reality is that random attacks by small groups just cannot be prevented any where, whether on Mumbai coast or London Tube. Navy cannot patrol every square foot of coast, can it? Failure...
  15. RedBaron

    What if PAF has to defend on two fronts?

    Dear Niaz Recent history has shown that small unstable states like Somalia or Taliban Afghanistan have caused more problems than large stable states (like Iran or North Korea). I'm sure Indian policy makers know this. After all, the Mumbai attack was successfully executed not by PAF F16s or...
  16. RedBaron

    What if PAF has to defend on two fronts?

    Batmannow - Calm down. If you notice, the PAF veterans on the forum are not excited about the IAF incursion. Why? Because a single aircraft skirting IB by 4 km and being bounced is a non-event and does not mean any attack is being planned. True it was not accidental, Indian govt is just playing...
  17. RedBaron

    Indian forces using ‘brutal torture’, says Amnesty

    Kashmir is indeed a tragedy for the local Kashmiri. Army presence and active operations in any civilian areas in any country is by its very nature brutally harsh and causes tremendous physical and mental pain to defenceless civilians. Same holds for Russian troops in Chechnya, Indonesians in...
  18. RedBaron

    Muridke The Real IAF Target?

    It's good to see the broad spectrum of battlefield and political scenarios being discussed. As a newbie to the forum, I'm thoroughly entertained by all the posts on this thread.... The timing of this particular inflammation in Indo-Pak relations is different from past conflicts: - Bad...
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