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4 iver + 2 REM in just 4 years or before 2024, can we really do that?

So the western tool not fit with our docrine? Like norinco altilery? Russian product might be okey for a while, but Chinese product? I see the allies (the US particularly) is one of the most experianced marines all over the globe with their own tools not with their adviseries tools,

Why the marines tend to be different from their brothers in army, like buying weapon from our potential adverasy is it "asal beda" mentality or what? With gado2 system and most of them are russian/ chinese, i wonder their logistics issue

i'm just thinking after we able build medium tank even with turks assistance, we can build our own mbt, but how far about technology leap from medium tank to mbt? aside of gun, armor, suspension and engine?

what if we upgrade the gun with 120, add more armor and perhaps upgrade gun stabilizer, engine, gearbox and suspension perhaps it can head to head with MBT

glad to see you back chestnut, from what you say, it seems our negatif traits is planning, is there any plan to make kaplan variant with autocanon like you said? kaplan has lost competition for bangladeshi mt project, does it will be affected to production for local user and the philippine?

I don't have to, Why don't you make your self more contributing in this forum since someone with good contribution got banned because unecesary debate over unsubstatial matter

Like in said before i don't have proof, but like i said you seems cant move on from what chestnut said event thought he got banned, I have my own suspeciousness

He might be in your ignore list, Kayaknya itu orang masih butthurt oleh comment chestnut tempo hari

So what's is your point? What kind of respect do you want? They serve the country as part of their career, they take the good part and the bad part for his country, I have not accusing you and i have no proof but it seems you still get upset from what chestnut says yesterday

Biological warfare already treath since coldwar era, the USA and USSR already head to head in bio arms researchs, pretty sure our generals already think about this not only gen Gatot only, but with Covid19 today i'm sure almost no one expected to happen this year

Yes someone need clarified why he ask mod to banned the user that have well contribute in this forum Ok then, let's move on for a while

Hey come on, why chestnut get banned? If you don't like his view at least you give proper denial, this is not kaskus Don't make your personal opion for being represif on this forum, this kind of mentality make formil kaskus like shit today, like banning solid contributor and get offended by...

Here we go again, That's is why lot of us wandering seriousness level of our modernization our arms forces, not only alutsista but also system, mindset and human resources

This kind of mindset should get rid from the army if we want our military completely profesional soldiers, the unecesary competition among brach were based historical event not a real-time strategic or tactical context, some hirank in the army seems maintained this old concept, the mod and...

How about fire control system, Thales STIR 1.2 mk2 or therma c fire Reo? Like Alman said, from what i read on the brochure therma only control guns and Stir at least can control short or medium range missile

setiap diskusi pasti ada pro dan kontra, yang pro belum tentu sendiri, demikian juga yang kontra belum tentu juga sendirian, pasti ada persamaan-persamaan persepsi walaupun dalam diskusi sebelumnya ada hal2 yang kontra, bisa saja hari ini misalnya saya berbeda pendapat tapi lain hari saya bisa...

Sorry to say, Apakah kalau belum sempurna maka lebih baik disempurnakan? tinggalkan konsep2 yg sudah usang dan tidak relevan dengan jaman, adalah tugas generasi muda di TNI harus memperbaharuinya, jika tidak ingin TNI tertinggal dengan negara2 lain di kawasan, Deterrence, kemandirian...

We critizing our arms forces because we care about them, we want them to be profesional like in developed country, we praise current progress, but we still see some of them need to be fixed or being optimized, our mindef know this, don't take it personaly if theres some critic's we are not the...

I think it's still far from that racial tension, as long as cebong and kampret believe the virus was usa made conspiracy, these two groups admited or not become opinion driven for mainstream peoples, while SJW still busy critizing the government implementing psbb while they and our people are...