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  1. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    What do you mean by "unwarranted"?
  2. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Hmm... Black Tiger's hull is so tall, it's almost at the same height with cannon pansers' hull around it, which I think about 2,1 m in height. That means BT's hull height is about 1,9-2 m, and that is such a large profile for a tank. Even Leo's hull is only 1,6-1,7 m tall. You can see their hull...
  3. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    AING MACAN It is just me or there isn't really a picture in your post? I thought you gonna compare the two. Edit : There is one now.
  4. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Indonesian medium tank Harimau Hitam (Black Tiger). Comment : That's pretty long name. Credit for original photographer Originally posted in IMF
  5. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    I hope they replace the tracks with the better one in production units... Those tracks still looks too narrow for 3,2 m wide tank... Looks like they reused M113 380 mm wide tracks? At least use 450 mm tracks like our Marder or NATO standard 530 mm tracks (used in many NATO tracked IFV like...
  6. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    I can see it uses CT CV 105 HP (or Cockerill 3105? Hard to see from the side) instead of XC-8 used in Turkish prototype.
  7. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Good recce platform? Recce nowadays use sophisticated sensors. With that armor and size, its functionality as recce vehicle is negated (and yes, I know that modern recce uses other vehicles like UAV, sat, etc). To me Anoa 20mm and Anoa amphibious are two examples of Pindad's bad design (your...
  8. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Kok saya mikirnya pembelian Pandur FSV ini utk "nampar" Badak Pindad ya? Seperti : Ini lho panser FSV modern, sudah bisa fire on move, proteksi bukan "kotak sabun", sudah berpenggerak 8x8. TOT pemasangan turret jangan dibicarakan krn sudah dapat saat riset Badak, yg belum kita kuasai sama...
  9. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Kita tunggu saja kalau sudah jadi, biasanya pres dan wapres yg namakan. After closer examination, the design looks like a cross between Patria and Stryker. I hope they made difference in front lights, etc. I hope it also has V-Hull.
  10. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Wow that's cool... But I think Biawak is not an appropriate name... Biawak should be 4x4 vehicle smaller than Komodo (jeep-like behicle). This panser should be named from ungulate animal. Anyway, JK said the name "Banteng" would not used because it's too political. And last, the name is not...
  11. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Not hero, not villain. But one of our ancestors (pendahulu) . I never heard GM reputed as a hero, but correct me if I'm wrong.
  12. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    These, right? Credit to Muhanmmad Khalifaturrozi Apaches, Mi-17s, and Blackhawks. Pretty legit.
  13. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Our 1960s KRI Alugoro submarine with submarine lauched antiship missile SS-N-3c Shaddock (cred : Indomiliter) Sorry no clearer images
  14. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    I got the spec from indomiliter (spec is subject to change since the manpads is still in development) : Length (missile/launcher) : 1596 mm / 1735 mm Diameter (missile/launcher) : 80 mm / 106 mm Weight : about 18 kg Weight (missile/launcher) : 10,5 / 6,5 kg Warhead : 1,82 kg Speed : about 650...
  15. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Tu gak ada yg foto spec manpads sama kasel mini? Yg dibelakang rudal petir.. .
  16. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Correction : Badak FSV, not IFV Pindad Excava 200 showcases in Bekraf Habibie Festival Specification : Length : 9,542 m Width : 2,895 m Height : 3,193 m Horizontal Reach : 9+ m Bucket capacity : 0,8 m² Dig reach : 6,3 m PUPR expressed interest to buy 500 of these last year, but until now...
  17. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Itu official atau pendapat anda? Memang iya radar ini bisa meng-guide missile misil menuju sasaran? VERA buatan republik Ceko saja pakai sensor pasif, saya tidak yakin bisa meng-guide misil. Tidak tahu kalau ERA (keluaran baru tahun 2012), ada sistem aktifnya atau gimana tapi VERA dan ERA gak...
  18. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    That's better. Rp 50 milyar = USD 3,8 million. From another article I saw before this put the price at Rp 30 M, = USD 2,25 million. ITB CIPTAKAN PROTOTYPE GIROSKOP MILITER INDONESIA Bandung – Mahasiswa Institut Teknologi Bandung (ITB) mengembangkan prototype Giroskop Militer pertama di...
  19. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    You're right. K2 Black Panther is the most expensive tank right now. Maybe he meant the K21 ifv. But it's still whopping 3,2 million USD (RP 42,6 billion - 42,6 miliar rupiah bahasa Indonesianya) RP 150 billion means 150 milliar rupiah (in ID), or USD 11,3 million. Need to ask again what the...
  20. Var Dracon

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    I'm replying the question I'm quoting, so I dont expect someone replying back my post. As for 212, I have no affiliation in any way. As far as I know, you are the first to bring 212 topic here (with serious tone). From your reply you seems very triggered, and very angry (see that censored...
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