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Not at all. This is a wonderful thread for people to observe the behavior and manner of debate that supporters of sharia implementation in Pakistan indulge in. So far we have personal attacks and a fatwa... It may get better in the posts ahead.

I probably don't believe in most of the hadith you believe in, and knowing how hadith have been doctored and conjured up from thin air, i refuse to accept them as evidence of anything in this debate. You keep skirting around the main topic of this thread. Do you have a sharia that all Muslims...

Why? You couldn't handle a debate on your own so you had to ask for help? No, you used abusive terms for Musharraf, because you disagree with him. And then you tried to insult me, because you disagree with me. Hmm. Do you see the pattern there? ---------- Post added at 04:26 AM...

Ah! Here it comes... the big bad fatwa!!! "You don't agree with what I deem to be a correct hadith and hence you are a non muslim!" This is epic stuff. Wonderful.

Your statement, i.e. your personal insults? Good. Stand by them. They suit you and you clearly suit them. No, what makes your statements personal insults is when you call people "idiot" or compare them to an "8 year old child". But then you would have to have some grounding in civility to...

Good. That means you don't "discuss with" a full 85% of humanity. Good for you for being so open minded.

You miss the point once again. The majority of the people in Pakistan are liberal and they do enjoy themselves in all the ways I mentioned in my post. I don't believe in forcing my beliefs and views on other people. If someone wants to sing, they are welcome to do it. If they want to dance...

What a load of nonsense. Hadith were manufactured in Baghdad and elsewhere for centuries so you can believe in them all you like, it doesn't convince me. If you are interested in the Muawiya discussion and what Ali thought of Muawiya, you might want to read the sermons of Ali from that period...

That scenario is not even on the table.

Americans wouldn't be questioning you in Bombay. But questions they have sent for you are asked by their representatives and this happens even today. By the way, all the agents I've ever run into in the UK are english, though they indirectly work for the TSA. And all the agents I've run into at...

The majority in Pakistan votes for non-religious parties. The majority in Pakistan does not support a mullah or a caliph imposing sharia. The majority in Pakistan does want democracy. Until some magical change of mind afflicts the majority, this sharia debate is completely nonsensical. Sharia...

The point is not to get into a sectarian discussion. The point is to say that muslims will not agree to a single definition of sharia. These differences - as quoted above - are merely illustrative and they point to different interpretations of history and the Quran. I don't think one needs...

The above describes your mental condition quite well. If you are unable to carry on a discussion, you stoop to personal insults. Wonderful.

That might be your version. Most historians who have analyzed Muawiyah have concluded that his advice to Aisha, Talha and Zubair, as well as his strategy with Siffeen and the subsequent raising of the Qurans on spearheads was all to further his own political cause. He wanted power. Plain and...

I wonder why you say that in response to this news... are you not aware that the US has such arrangements with numerous friendly countries. In particular, the UAE has implemented special secondary checks for flights going to the US. The UK has been doing this for a long time now... they even...

Did Muawiya not want to be Caliph? And for this purpose, did he not wage war against Ali, the Caliph of the time? And after Ali, did Yazid not ask Husain for bayt? And when he denied Yazid this bayt, did Yazid not shed blood? Was Yazid not interested in being Caliph and having Husain's bayt as...

Your understanding of his comment is what's pathetic. The point he is trying to make is that you will NOT have all muslims agree to a single formula for sharia. It IS NOT going to happen. So until it does, the sharia crowd can keep waxing poetic, but that doesn't change reality in the slightest.

That's actually completely inaccurate. The method of selecting/electing/appointing the first four caliphs was completely different - there was no standard practice employed between the four. Can you provide the appropriate ayat in the Quran that says the Caliph is God's second in command...

Chogy, you are right... and when you add to that some of the unnecessary excesses the past US government indulged in, the resulting circumstances were very "twistable", if you know what I mean. We need people like yourself - responsible, peace loving and well spoken military professionals from...

Alright then. We shall consider that you are the American equivalent of those who chant "Death to...". What is your slogan of choice? As an aside, I didn't see anyone in this discussion saying death to america. Please point out the specific post if it was said. Lastly, perhaps it is just...