No we didn't the ones China gave us we reversed engg and made them better. CATIC and AWC both work side by side. Yes we do use engg from KRL and they are the ones who always conduct the experiment with combined leadership of AWC , CATIC and KRL.
Just because you shoot down couple of fighters don't make you the best, What makes a fighter pilot best is when he is in the sky and you have a serious emergency. In that situation you get to know if he is good or not
example
My student Traiq Shahab was at 32000ft in an F-6 the plane was a dead...
The story is totally BONE. We did not get 200 missiles from NK. A question do you know the mode of transportation. Most of our Bang Bang are 20 to 40 feet tall. Do you know uncle Sam has 9 Sats in space looking over them.
Right now we are not doing bad our fleet is 95% operational, And yes we are investing in new fighters. Our missile defence system and Air Defence system are way advanced when IAF crossed into LOC we were on then in Sec. Pakistan is very powerful in Air -to-Air and Air-to-Ground. Combined force...
Here let me give you a few facts
1965 war 14 SQD in 3 days did this.
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1971 war 14 SQD Decca in 3 days did this.
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That is mind blowing 14 SQD at its best.
plus 14 SQD in Afghan Conflict.
Simple fact is that on 4th of Dec we shot 9 IAF fighter with loss of 3 sabers, And the 3rd was shot but only left wing damaged he could have landed was out of fuel ejected ,Picked up by if my memory is right Chopper flown by Wing commander Sultan 2 got who got shot were out numbered
6 to 1
My job was to kill not to count, People who counted or looked for wreaks were only interested in medals I and my course were from a different breed our medal was Pakistan and Pakistan only, Having 2 kills 1 Gnat and Hunter which according to Indian were superior. Named Gnat as Saber Slayer...
4th December 1971, Marked the beginning of the greatest air battle of the day, Led by Flt LT Shams-ul-Haq PAF nick name Skamish with a equally young spirited Flg Off S Shamshad Ahmed on hid wing. 2 F-86s of NO14 SQD scrambled at 0845. Just as their wheels were locking-up the F-86s were fired...
And where did you get this headline from :disagree:.
Last year in JAN I met him in London from there we went to Dubai
This year we met in Germany than came to London from there we both came to Houston.
By the way he retired a long time ago his info is of no use to any one.
I have flown with all of them MM Alam , Safaraz, Shabir SB, Nur khan were the best of the best and Tanvir's name he was an average pilot. Shahid Latif, Khalid Chaudhry could do circles around him with there eyes shut.
Problem with Dotani was he rose to the ranks very fast because of his flying skills When people went to Pakistani staff college he went to USA when people went to Islamabad he went to UK in total he did 21 foreign courses he was a natural, In PAF you get the best if you are best in Air , Holds 2...
1 MM Alam Retired living a happy life.
2 Butch KIA
2 Jamal made COAS
3 Hakim made COAS
4 Masroor Dead
5 Sarfraz A Rafiqui KIA
6 Middle C KIA
7 Sattar Alvi retired at home ( He has 1 kill dreamer )
8 Hasnat Dead Fighter crashed.
9 Razzaq Deied with Musaf
10 khalid M heart problem retired now...
Sorry friend your conclusions are wrong.
Everyone in the list were die hard fighters all of them got heart problems, Flying takes a toll out of you. You have to stay fit for as long you are in PAF as a fighter pilot.
Our Killer Instinct used to go away when we landed all the above were...