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Exactly :)

If that had been the case, we both could just leave the LAC/LoC alone, sit back and sip on pinacoladas while the UAVs did their job :)

Yes they do. There's nothing 'unique' about it. The question is NOT how much can i see. The question should be, can i throw artillery at it? With UAVs and ISR, these days it shan't be an issue. These days wars are not won or lost. You know that. It's the long term objectives that can be met...

That's how the CFL/LoC is. A spur is with you, and the peak very well be with us. But that doesnt negate the fact that the point under discussion is still held by us.

Apki khidmat kliye he aye thy is thread mai, janab.

It's a feature.

i can neither confirm nor deny that :)

Astore is around somewhere yes, but then not precisely.

i find it funny that someone would show a portion of an un-grided map to a civilian and expect him to spot landmarks on it. Even those who have served there cant do that!

WTF is going on here? You post a generic map, that too a portion of it without any references/landmarks, and want us to locate something on it? You high or what? How about you spot something on this: aaaa by Khakiate, on Flickr P.S. i still was able to trace the area that you have posted in...

Yeah, it's a grid reference and quite precise. It's the point from where the glaciated area begins and hence was considered unapproachable.

Support Pakistan's claim in 1958? :blink:

A or the?

Not only i have met those men, but i have been up there too. Meanwhile you get your thoughts articulated on what and why to ask, i'll suggest you go through this: The Saf Shikan. or Xeric's Primer: We Don’t Seek Benevolence, But Don’t Malign us Either – Part II (Saf Shikan)

Yeah, i tried to get the reference # 70 but the damn google books wont show it in the preview. You know, f**k it. Just a month ago, Pervaiz Iqbal Cheema was in a conference which i was attending, had i known that this would become such an issue i would have asked him there :D Still, last i...

Meanwhile i also found refernce to the same statement in a book namely "Perception, Politics and Security in South Asia: The Compound Crisis of 1990" by P R Chari, Pervaiz Iqbal Cheema and Stephen P Cohen: The Compound Crisis of 1990 by Khakiate, on Flickr Here's a preview of the page...

Haha...that's the perils of a quick internet search http://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IN PK_490729_ Karachi Agreement.pdf. Stop reading the 6-pager 'text' of the agreement only and run back to a library where you can also find the explanatory notes and definitions connected...

Stop getting your facts from Wikipedia, sir.

i think you have already got your answer.

So you claim that the positions as of 27 July 1949 as declared in Karachi Agreement were not demarcated, right? And that Karachi Agreement itself is a secondary document?