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  1. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    There is nothing wrong with our stance . I don't know if it was a curse or a blessing we are simply too laid back for our own good . And God i hate for saying this . We are just too similar to US like a mirror . Without some hard stimulant and impetus our cogs and wheels are just too lazy to...
  2. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Part of the reason but not the whole reason of said calculation . The premise it self was not wrong . It was the confidence/arrogance based on it that was into the question . There was a different treatment between " equal partner " and " donor recipient " ... And never ever put the two in the...
  3. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Be very careful with your political nuances statement there . Wether LBP has bigger influences or not it still has to be seen and proven and JKW was still our legally our superior chief of Armed forces . And this is a defence related forum not a political one . Keep the political side of things...
  4. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    While the money was allready allocated and prepared thing hasn't been spend as yet . So the spec tech requirement could also change . Not to mention plat bender machineries and welding machinery were all general in specs and usages . All those big ticket items spender are jig fixtures and dies...
  5. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    There is a lot credibility drain in this fiasco ...
  6. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Stirring/testing the water .....
  7. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Without some DP at the point of reservation even those meager " falkon buluk " were only a distant dream and fantasy .... Some people still underestimating on how much slow and tedious our beuracracy are working to slowing our progress on all front is ..... And make a note ! Our beuracracy...
  8. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Let them dream some more . It isn't right time for a " bantingan " as yet :drag:
  9. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    From the psychological view . It would be very hard for the armenian to see turkish involvement at this volatile time . So it was understandable froma a point . But russia permission were not relevant at this point too . Since Turkish and Azeris were made a defence pact Turkish can literally...
  10. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    Ah , you forget the mil-24 downing ?? Reason and excuse could all be created and invented . It's rhe underlying reasoning that never stray from the goals intended by ... Do not be naive and think too highly over Turkey capabilities . Until Turkey reach the nuclear power status or equivalent all...
  11. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Some wet dream before friday night . As always ... :drag: To be honest i never specifically mention your name but i meant this for everybody . But , When wishes mixed with rumour and whatnot everybody starting to get high before the reality coming in and crush them hope down ... A litle bit...
  12. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    Wether Russia gren lighted it or not is irrelevant by now . But the reality on the ground is Russia dictated the term for everybody be it Armenian or Azeris . While putin do borrowed Aliyev's to smack some sense in pashinyan head at the end of the day it was the russian also who preserve what...
  13. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    Bro , we understand your concerns . we all do . But , please .... You are talking about an ideal outcome without considering the reality on the ground . Everybody knows sooner or later that Ivan would come to medling in . He has to protect his interest after all . Wether he liked or not he has...
  14. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    I don't want to rain on all of your parade here . But , if you all guys are too make an assumption by a mere handfull of growler without their adequated ground and air support would suddenly change the equation against you know who .... Then all of you were equally dreaming too.. Makes no...
  15. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    That is more of a band aid solution and everybody even pakde knows that Loan was always carry some excess baggage that detrimental to our economic future hence much of the hesitation on his side . But i agree we are closing in on the point of no return soon enough that something substantial...
  16. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    Do not forget we are very strapped on cash . Even 15 % DP from the whole budget could put a very big strain on our finance .
  17. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    It doesn't matter ..... Economic progression along technological proliferation will keep the Azeris on the edge ( some people will find it hard to believe but US no longer keep much of technological edge over the rest of the world ) Armenian diaspora will bitch all they want but they won't...
  18. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    Very close or less the same as i mentioned before . It's a very conclusive and comprehensive agreement provided every parties were to adhered and observed it . But , i can't see much of turkey's involvement in this scenario . It kind of baffles me there . Without turkey as a guarantoor things...
  19. Ravager

    Featured Azerbaijan Armenian War

    Alhamdulillah .... Most.of the building were left intact . There is so much of historical values written all over those relics of bricks
  20. Ravager

    Indonesia Defence Forum

    EW capability is the thing we must have . But only under a very thorough consideration and careful study . Along with a reputable and respectable contractor to provide the needed service and equipment . If the Auvia perkasa still could hold their credential after all those needed scrutinity then...
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