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Still no physical evidence of these actually having AESA in them correct? Ive not seen any block 3 with PL-15, not PL-10 nor any slanted or structurally different nose cone which would indicate actual AESA or new weapons package. Doesn't mean it hasnt happened, but if anyone has any pics to that...

I dont think that is accurate. Firstly there are 4 MR-90 for primary guidance of the LY-80s not just 1. Secondly the SR2410C is a multimode radar and isnt just air search. It can do air search out to 250km but is also capable of surface tracking and is capable of tracking 150 air and surface...

Im not sure you can claim that it has a better payload than Type 054A/P. The turks will likely use Atmaca which is the same class as. C-802A/C-803 which we know the type 054A usually holds 8 as well. The 054P uses CM-302 which is a much larger missile with more speed and range and this is likely...

Turkey forcing the sale of block 70 and right to upgrade current F-16 to V with ozgur may be on the cards, but i dont think PAF will ever get permission for Turkey to upgrade its F-16s they couldnt get engines for ATAK approved. Pakistan is for the time being (especially until it gets its house...

Well they didnt give more OHP so im not sure thats true. But we shall see. If the US approves SeaRAM then maybe they will give Mk41 or ExLS for Jinnahs and OPV 2600

Not really. Pakistans interests aren't aligned in the long run with US interests in Asia which primarily center around containing china.

Nice if true but is this finalizes? Id be surprised if RAM finds its way to PN,but reportedly Deihl/Germans had assured Pakistan there was no issue in getting this to Pakistan. So it is possible. If not, Levent PDMS and Gokdeniz ER as supposed to begin trials this year, and we could fit Gokdeniz...

This is the only thing that worries me. Chinese weaponry isn't super tested on the battlefield (at least its A2A weapons). So we wont know how they actually perform until they are used. The A2G munitions have seemingly been effective but which munitions they have used in Waziristan and the like...

Su-30,probably, the others remains to be seen. Good thing PAF operates an advanced ECM suite with its own F-16s so likely they know how well it would perform there, china operates Su-30 so its capabilities are well known to China/PAF as well. Additionally, PAF will definitely test it against...

While i agree they should ideally have 6-8, we do need tk remember these arent the typical C-802/Harpoon subsonic missiles. These are CM-302. Mach 4 missiles and are even larger than C-602/Zarb. The warhead isnsaod to be over 500kg so in a strike, even 1 hit is likely to sink any frigate and...

F-16XL did not fail per se. It was put against the F-15E for the ATF contract. The F-15E was a cheaper to create because it was basically a retooling of F-15C with new electronics and avionics. F-16XL would need a redesign of the F-16 itself. Additionally tge F-15E was superior in every way from...

Can you post a picture of 22-315 cuz I've maybe missed it, but haven't seen any slant or real change to the nose cone.

So can someone please summarize quickly what is the current plans for refit/replacements so those of us who haven't been following this story very closely can get a quick update? Is there a replacement coming, is it just upgrading G3 and Ak/type 56? Who is building it ect? Much appreciated.

I get the platform, but what are you employin a 200km range missile with low speed and 6kg warhead against? Small vehicles dont need 200km cruise missiles. Hardened targets wont break to a 6kg warhead. Maybe slow moving artillery positions, but can really think of many more ideal targets for...

I don't see any interest in 056 from PN. I think they prefer more Yarmook batch 2, which, while larger, are likely fairly cheap and far more effective. With CAMM-ER, i dont see any role of Chinese medium range sams in PN outside of 054A/hq-16. Probably not till hq16f or hq-9 will you see more...

One gray nose cone with the flag painted tail is block 1 (specifically 07-107 which was the first jf-17 inducted to PAF), the other gray nosed jet is Blk 2 What i have yet to see is any blk 3 actually carrying PL-15 or PL-10, which makes me think they haven't integrated them yet

Im not saying its for sure a GWS, BUT i have a hard time believing the US would approve mk-41 or Ex-LS for Pakistan. One could make the argument that mk-41 wasnt included in Baburs to punish Turkey, but i think that its more likely that Pakistan is the target. This is supported by the T-129 deal...

Gotta say, every picture of the tactical camo makes me like it more and more.

What if any role do we see for something like the Kemankes Mini-cruise missile. While the range is very impressive (200km), im not sure what its speed (0.3M to 0.7M) and small size (35kg including 6 kg warhead) will lend to real world effectiveness. But it could be useful for TB2.

While i agree there will not likely be any RAM there will likely be gokdeniz CIWS. The interesting thing will be if they theb replace this with Gokdeniz ER which will use the same platform and mechanicals but exchange the gun based CIWS for a missiles based system (12 cells - possibly with...