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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    Honestly, i think this sized ship should have 48-64 VLS cells. 32 is too few. Not really sure outside of better sensors and range, how 054B brings much different to the game weapons wise vs 054A
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    Turkiye's Minister of National Defense Guler: Agreement with Pakistan for KAAN is about to be signed

    This is why you dont have people whose entire eduction was centered around strategic war planning, running your country for 50 years. Yet 90% of people here blame civilians (selected by army) for everything... This is proof that Pakistani people need maturing before you can expect mature...
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    PNS Azmat Class - Fast Attack Missile Craft | Updates & Discussions.

    Not to mention that Pakistan already operates Spada 2000 so CAMM-ER would be perfect successor. I think the issue is that army, airforce and navy are their own kingdoms rather than being subservient to the defense ministry. One ruler could have helped to streamline such procurements from a cost...
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    Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

    The reason most Pakistani efforts to utilize ToT fail is because there is no effort to create an infrastructure of science and engineering to absorb that tech into local industry. Al-khalid could have been a big success but no R&D environment was set up around the local manufacturing, same goes...
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    Turkiye's Minister of National Defense Guler: Agreement with Pakistan for KAAN is about to be signed

    This could make sense for Azerbaijan, but i dont think PAF JF-17 will ever see turkish avionics in a major way. Maybe EW suites but radars and the like will continue to be Chinese if for no other reason than the weapons packages which, specifically PL-15 and PL-10 which far outstrip anything...
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    Turkiye's Minister of National Defense Guler: Agreement with Pakistan for KAAN is about to be signed

    I am not suggesting China would join this project. Im suggesting that should a turkish Turbofan not materialize in a timely fashion then Pakistan will need some ITAR free powerplant. The options would be European (British or French) which is highly unlikely, Russian which is theoretically...
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    Turkiye's Minister of National Defense Guler: Agreement with Pakistan for KAAN is about to be signed

    I could see Pakistani variants using a Chinese turbofan if a turkish one doesn't materialize fast enough, but i doubt any chinese weapons would make their way to KAAN. Pakistani weapons for sure, but highly unlikely Chinese or Turks would share source codes for their respective tech, just as...
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    Turkish Deputy Minister of National Defence: "We will be discussing with our Pakistani counterparts to officially include Pakistan in our jet program"

    So their are a number of differences when it comes to China and Turkey vis a vis jet engines. The main one being that the main source of turbofan engines for China historically were the Russians, and they refused to share even production ToT let alone help China develop an indigenous industry...
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    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    1. Babur's will use CAMM-ER whose official range is 45km+... The + is key here. Standard CAMM (official range 25km+) has been documented by Janes to be tested out to 60km successfully. That tells me the range of CAMM-ER is probably closer to 80-90km if not more. 2. As i stated HQ-16FE is NOT...
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    Hope these were simulating hypersonic cruise missiles...
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    Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

    As @arslank03 pointed out, the two deals are not equivalent. Yes the cost for 4 054AP was less than Baburs, but Babus are frankly a more forward looking purchase. While the 054AP will be the most capable ships in PN, that will likely not be a long term position. The PN not only acquired 4 light...
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    Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

    Not likely. The thing people need to remember is US has multiple interests. For weak nations US will us their weapons and financial deals a stick or noose. Give you enough rope to hang yourself and then hold you hostage (Pakistan, latin american countries, turkey (formerly), egypt). But big...
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    Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

    I think this may be the most overt demonstration that KAAN will eventually be in PAF. 200 engineers participating in the program with parts likely to be manufactured by Pakistani subsidiaries of Turkish companies has all but laid the ground work here. Pakistan needs to not only participate...
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    Im not saying that 054B will absolutely come, but that it is the most likely ship PN would acquire next from China IF one is acquired. And PN is not likely going get a new Type of Chinese vessel forany years. If they get any new builds ot would be more 054A/P.
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    I doubt it. Type 055 is huge and expensive and far more than PN needs or could afford to not only acquire but operate. If destroyers are to be acquired from China, they will likely be 052D. That said, i dont see those anywhere in the near future either. I would expect at most the 4 Jinnah class...
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    MQ-9 Sea Guardians: New headache for PN

    Firstly these drones are for maritime patrol and surveillance, not attack. Secondly if they operate near shore, PAF will deal with them anyways. Thirdly, even though Akinci has a lower ceiling, carrying a Gokdogan, an akinci with an AESA radar wluld likely be able to detect, engage and destroy...
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    JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

    Not sure if its a celebration so much as it is a statement of fact. Its relevance. Is that this is technically the first and only A2A kill
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    PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

    This looks so clean it almost looks photoshoped.
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    JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

    Every flight is one thing, any flight is another. Again not saying anything is amiss, just that ot seems odd.
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    JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

    Having space for and actually having it installed are 2 different things. There are some who said first 14 fighters came with KLJ-7V2 Whereas 15 onwards would come with aesa and the other 14 would be refit. Others said that is BS. ALL im saying is exteriorly i have seen any change in the cone
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