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How do you know? Do you have proof that Islam is just following arabic traditions? Or is it just an assertion? Have you actually looked at the conditions of pre-Islamic arabia? If Islam was so similar to pre existing arab traditions, why was it considered a huge social and cultural reform...

I think the government is just not proactive enough in quelling this. Again, I am basically an outsider to Pakistan, so I can't speak pretending I understand what is going on. Does the average Muslim over there think the TTP is working in the name of Islam? Issue in what sense? I'm guessing...

I do agree with your views. However, for the sake of our hindu readers here- An Islamic state is run by scholars, not some uneducated barbarians. Half our problems start with people with no education in the deen giving out fatwas (when they aren't authorized to do so) So I do agree here: -...

Won't nationalism be redundant under a religious state? Lets give an example of Pakistan. Most people are Muslim. If people stopped being nationalistic and were more religious they would still support Pakistan (since its a Muslim state) but with an added factor of Godwariness (and hence...

I would implore you to read this concerning hadith authentication: islamic-awareness. org/Hadith/Ulum/ Uhh, isn't this what is happening though? Not practicing Islam (as dictated by classical scholars) on a political level?

Once again I will have to state that this is incorrect. In pre-islamic arabia, tribalism came before religion. Tribes of the same religion often fought one another, and this was not uncommon. Google the "sacrilegious wars". Not true, the Islamic state has only been toppled in 1924, showing its...

Unfortunately this isn't true. If you're actually interested in looking into hard evidence, sit down with a cup of coffee and take an hour to read through this. It's a debate between a Muslim and an atheist, all the proofs are there and both sides have an input. forum.bodybuilding...

I understood that before coming here, I just posted this to hear their views.

Are you sure? If this was the case things would be very different. The caliphate system, for example, would be brought into effect. People would not be starving. etc. etc.

Not a prob for me, arguments against Islam are generally feeble from a lot of what I read.

True this, Islam agrees with the fitrah (the human nature). Don't worship stuff you make with your own hands. Don't just worship what your forefathers worship for no reason. Worship the one who Created, and worship Him the way He wants to be worshiped, which He lets us know through evidences and...

I don't care much for that, arabs are not considered 'holy people' in Islam LOL. In case you did not know, one of the sole techniques of preservation of the Qur'an WAS memorization in its ORIGINAL language. It is absolutely necessary to do so. This is one of the reasons the Qur'an is...

So, in your opinion, nationalism did not exist between 632-1923AD? Are you sure? Are you REALLY, almost CERTAINLY sure? nationalism is an idea that stood since the beginning of time. The caliphate abolished (for the most part) such values. Really, your argument about the caliphate is also moot...

Indeed a good ideal to have! Let's strive for this! Ameen.

Unfortunately this does not seem to be the case with Muslims. The Islamic empire stood tall for over a thousand years. After the ottomans, what is left of us? Isn't it funny that the situation of the Muslims went downhill ever since the caliphate broke up? Religious identities: The Rashidun...

Could you please provide your proofs? Here's mine that it is not: All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety...

As far as I know, nationalism (loyalty to your country) is pretty much the modern day equivalent of tribalism (loyalty to your tribe), given that people were proud of their tribe and looked down upon or alienated those from other tribes even if they were the same religion. We can deduce this...

I don't believe my country is my mother though. What do I owe my country? I only owe God for everything I have.

Just would like to hear people's views on what they think of nationalism as opposed to religion. Personally; I don't believe in nationalism. Really, as a kid growing up outside pakistan, I didn't believe in much of anything, until I read a lot more about Islam (after which I became a practicing...

It is narrated by Abu Da'wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, "He is not one us who calls for nationalism, or who fights for nationalism or who dies for nationalism."