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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Wikipedia? I gave you direct links to FAS and Time magazine articles and from where did Wikipedia come in all this? Ohh... you have a problem with all sources which are mentioned in Wikipedia. Well, thanks for sharing all that material from rather journalistic sources. Insightful... really...
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    Why India will not be able to match up with China

    Laughing too much? Democratic (uhh.. sought of) Pakistan -
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Also, have you gone through the posts in this thread? All kinds of statements were being made here about "Pakistani missile technology being far superior to India's". Wonder how is that relevant to the topic of this thread. Besides, it wasn't me who made claims of Pakistan holding 1200 square...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    I think a bit more civility on your part will also help. Besides, the book I mentioned was not written by an Indian. Need more foreign sources? Federation of American Scientists - Threats - Pakistan - India Intelligence Agencies TIME magazine - Asia: Silent Guns, Wary Combatants - TIME...
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    Why India will not be able to match up with China

    Neither do I have the time, nor the motivation to continue with this debate. But there were some things you said which were quite funny - Of course the IITs are not "universities" because they offer degrees in specific streams and not in a variety of subjects like liberal arts to management...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Why not talk about what followed soon after Pakistani forces entered Khem Karan? Battle of Asal Uttar - Dictionary of Battles and Sieges: F-O - Google Books And here is a summarization of who held how much by David Van Praagh - The greater game: India's race with ... - Google...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Kishangarh fort is barely 10-15 kms from the Indo-Pak border and is located in the sparsely populated Thar desert - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=27.871,70.563&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,79.013672&ie=UTF8&z=9&iwloc=A (27.871,70.563) So, just because...
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    Why India will not be able to match up with China

    I'm sure many Indians look at China's massive strides in the economic sector with awe. I wish my native country's government was so efficient. :) But what about human rights?
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    Why India will not be able to match up with China

    Firstly, no wise person would compare the trustworthiness of a bank just by looking at the layout of their websites (:blink:). Secondly, it is nice to have thousands of engineering graduates, but what about the quality of these engineers? Asia's best science and tech schools (Asiaweek.com |...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    I wouldn't call Chuck Yeager a neutral, credible source. After all, that person persuaded USA to invade India just because the IAF destroyed his Beechcraft aircraft (acc. to Admiral Arun Prakash). He even predicted Pakistani Army to be in Delhi within a week of commencement of hostilities...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    And by that logic, why didn't the Bangladeshi rebels secure their goals before December 3, 1971? After all, their 'Liberation War' was officially launched on March 26, 1971. Why did they secure their goals only after Indian forces intervened? As a matter of fact, for approx. 8 months...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Uhh.. let me get something straight.. wasn't it Pakistan which started the 1965 war by launching Operation Gibraltar and Grand Slam? If anything, it was Pakistan which did not succeed in its plan to separate Kashmir from India. In other words.. India was the defender and Pakistan the aggressor...
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    Afghanistan, Israel do defence deal

    Well.. it could have been that the Israeli offered the most cost-effective armored vehicles to Afghanistan. It seems to be a purely economic and military-based decision. Why bring religion into this?
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    I like to mention my sources before making general remarks. Unfortunately, my likeness for sources is not shared by others it seems.
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Uhh.. so by that logic Pakistanis can boast about 1965 war because they won it? :what:
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    I don't understand the logic behind comparing Pakistan in 1971 to Allies during WW2. The Allies did suffer setbacks, but they were able to overcome them. Did the Allies surrender eventually? No. Pakistan did because it was never able to recover from these setbacks. And calling me...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    I meant that certain wrong tactical and strategic decisions by team A against team B doesn't mean that team B enjoys absolute superiority over team A. Why are you getting so aggressive dude? Chill!
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    Dude.. I can't speak for all Indians. Neither can you speak for all Pakistanis. But yes, through categorical thinking we can homogenize people into various groups with shared traits. By the tone adopted by most Pakistanis here, one can easily homogenize them as a group of people who are...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    :blink: How does that explain Indian victories during battle of Longewala and Basantar? And own people? What happened to your 'own people' during Operation Searchlight? :lol: Source please? If you were referring to the recent CAG report, it said that Indian Armed Forces has not been active...
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    PAF superiority over IAF in 65 war

    'Building an arsenal: the evolution of regional power force structures' by Amit Gupta perfectly summarizes the consequences of the 1965 war for the Indian Air Force - The Pakistani Air Force had some success in the 1965 war not because it was better than the Indian Air Force, but because...
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