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But also in this maps I could not see any islands. Hainan is even not there.

I still could not see two islands there, where are they?

So where are these two islands, I could only see Hainan as the southernmost islands. Even there is no Taiwan in this map.

So please show these maps again tomorrow. I have not seen any of them.

You can read the text below, that is the map published by Vietnamese government by King Minh Mang (1820-1841), the precise date is 1839 in the so-called "Đại Nam nhất thống toàn đồ" in English could be translated as: The map of Unified Vietnam or in Chinese...

Which one? ---------- Post added at 11:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ---------- You also, good night!

So what? this is our official map published in 1839

There are a lot of them, for a quick search I could find one published in 1839 by Vietnamese government: http://www.vinhanonline.com/images/stories/tonghop/hs-ts/6-chot.jpg For the map of other countries, there are so many, you could find the picture there, sorry that I am lazy to copy the all...

Which pictures, could you post it again?

Sorry but I could not access your link. But this means that you could not show any official map of China that include these islands as Chinese territory. This is very ridiculous when you said these islands was taken by Chinese for two thousands years and official Chinse maps did not include...

In fact, Vietnam only paid tribute to China for having peace, Vietnam had an independence foreign relationship, independence political and domestic system and Vietnam never provided any kind of military support to China, e.g. the war with the Mongol or Manchurian, in which China was heavily...

As I told before, please show some official maps of Chinese government as the map I have given in my post. These vague writings do not make much sense. I know that Chinese have a good traditional to produce map for all of their territory. If Chinese empire considered these islands as a part of...

1. Could you showed proofs of these patrols? When was it, how many ships were there, who took the responsibility, are these islands Spratly and Paracel Islands or something else? Does patrol necessarily means possessing? Where is the map, could you show it here? If not, Vietnamese and Philippine...

I think it is the best if you could show some official maps published by Chinese empire during last one thousand years which explicitly showed that Spartly or Paracel islands belong to the empire. The validity of these vague writings is rather low since they could be interpreted in many...

I doubt that. As I has previously given in this forum about a research of Stanford University Countering Beijing in the South China Sea | Hoover Institution "China also cites various vague, questionable, and off-point historical writings dating back more than 2,000 years in its attempt to...

This story happened at least 3000 years ago when there was no country but just tribes. Vietnamese ancestor lived in the South China is the truth but it does not necessarily mean that they owned South China since they were just a part of many tribes there. I have not heard any Vietnamese want to...

Please sir show us these members. Comparing to India, all countries surround China e.g: Vietnam, Korea, Russia, Philippine, Singapore... and even Myanmar are now much aware of its "peacefully rise" by huge military expense and readiness to "peacefully protect" its own interests by force.

This is a very simple logic. The Chinese doctrine says that it only protect the interest of China. This look like a non aggressive doctrine. However the main point is how to define the national interest which will determine the aggressive nature of the country. In the history, most of the casus...

I agree with you, you can not give up a territory by just using a very blur and vague note as I have already shown in this topic. It needs a formal long and complex procedure. However, this note seems to be the only proof for Chinese here like an buoy for a man in the middle of ocean. This is...