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US subway death spurs outrage, calls for better social services​

4 May 2023

Protests and calls for action are growing in the United States after video footage emerged this week showing a man on the New York City subway placing a homeless passenger in a chokehold, resulting in his death.

A New York City medical examiner said in a report late on Wednesday that the death of 30-year-old Jordan Neely, a local performer who often dances as Michael Jackson, was a homicide resulting from “compression of neck”.

“Just looking at that video, you know it’s wrong. No one has the right to take the right of another person,” New York Governor Kathy Hochul told reporters on Thursday, saying the video showed “three individuals holding [Neely] down until the last breath was snuffed out of him”.

That video has sparked outrage from elected officials, particularly left-wing progressives, who said Neely’s death was symptomatic of a lack of social services as well as ongoing violence against Black people in the US.

Many, including US Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley, called for accountability in the case. “Black men deserve to grow old — not be lynched on a Subway because they were having a mental health crisis,” Pressley wrote on Twitter.

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, another progressive Democrat, echoed Pressley’s sentiments and criticised the city of New York for raising rents and attempting to “militarize itself while many in power demonize the poor”.

“Neely’s last words were literally about how going to jail was easier than accessing the social safety net support to get back on his feet and lead a life,” Ocasio-Cortez, who represents a New York district, wrote on Twitter.

“For many vulnerable communities — especially the mentally ill — we make living in jail easier than living out of it. That’s what happen when we defund everything but the carceral state.”

Prominent civil rights lawyer Ben Crump likewise weighed in, writing, “There should be a thorough investigation into this encounter!”

However, Mayor Eric Adams, a former New York City Police Department captain who began his law enforcement career with the transit police, cautioned against jumping to conclusions about the incident.

“Any loss of life is tragic,” he said in a statement on Wednesday. “There’s a lot we don’t know about what happened here, so I’m going to refrain from commenting further.”

Adams acknowledged though that “serious mental health issues” were at play in the events leading up to Neely’s death, which occurred on Monday afternoon after an altercation on a Manhattan subway line.


Local media reported that Neely had been acting erratically when he boarded the northbound F train.

Fellow passenger Juan Alberto Vazquez told New York’s WNBC news station that “the man got on the subway car and began to say a somewhat aggressive speech, saying he was hungry, he was thirsty, that he didn’t care about anything, he didn’t care about going to jail, he didn’t care that he gets a big life sentence”.

That’s when another passenger, a white man identified in media reports as a 24-year-old Marine, put the 30-year-old performer into a chokehold, holding him on the floor of the subway car while two bystanders helped to subdue him.

“Where are the cops?” one passenger can be heard asking in the video.

Eventually, Neely’s legs stop moving. A voice can be heard off-screen expressing concern that the chokehold might be killing him and noting what appeared to be faeces on Neely’s pants. But one of the bystanders helping to hold Neely down responds, “He’s not squeezing no more.”

Neely was unconscious by the time law enforcement arrived, according to media reports. He was transported to Lenox Hill Hospital but was declared dead.

Police later questioned the marine but released him without charges. Authorities also told local media in the aftermath of the incident that Neely had more than 40 prior arrests.

‘Complete failure’​

The Manhattan District Attorney’s Office has said it would review the autopsy reports, as well as witness statements, medical records and footage of the chokehold, as part of its “rigorous ongoing investigation”.

“This is a solemn and serious matter that ended in the tragic loss of Jordan Neely’s life,” a spokesperson said on Thursday. “This investigation is being handled by senior, experienced prosecutors and we will provide an update when there is additional public information to share.”

Protests in New York are expected to continue through Thursday and Friday, with many questioning Mayor Adams’s tough-on-crime approach and crackdown on homelessness.

Last year, he launched a subway safety plan that involved removing people sheltering or sleeping on transit cars.

And in November, he unveiled a policy that gave city officials “legal authority to provide care to New Yorkers when severe mental illness prevents them from meeting their own basic human needs”, a programme that critics noted could involve involuntary hospitalisation and treatment.

A press release from the mayor’s office said the measure was intended to address the “ongoing crisis of individuals experiencing severe mental illnesses left untreated and unsheltered in New York City’s streets and subways”.

The New York-based Coalition for the Homeless issued a statement in the wake of Neely’s death, reiterating its ongoing criticism of Adams’s policies.

“This horrific incident is yet another reminder of Governor Hochul’s and Mayor Adams’ complete failure to provide critical mental health services desperately needed by so many people in our city,” Dave Giffen, the group’s executive director, said.

“What’s more, the fact that someone who took the life of a distressed, mentally-ill human being on a subway could be set free without facing any consequences is shocking, and evidences the City’s callous indifference to the lives of those who are homeless and psychiatrically unwell.”

 
Fellow passenger Juan Alberto Vazquez told New York’s WNBC news station that “the man got on the subway car and began to say a somewhat aggressive speech, saying he was hungry, he was thirsty, that he didn’t care about anything, he didn’t care about going to jail, he didn’t care that he gets a big life sentence”.

Now when subway riders fight back they get in trouble...

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I guess it is better to let innocent passengers get chokeholded by the criminals
 
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Now when subway riders fight back they get in trouble...

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I guess it is better to let innocent passengers get chokeholded by the criminals
there are plenty violent white males joining the military or police force just for the thrill of killing.
 

Killings in NYC subway system skyrocket to highest level in 25 years — even as ridership plummeted​

By David Meyer,
Craig McCarthy and Gabrielle Fonrouge
October 11, 2022

The Murder Express is running local.

Killings in the New York City subway system since 2020 have skyrocketed to the highest annual levels in 25 years, even amid plummeting ridership numbers, as the city grapples with an overall spike in random violence, NYPD data show.

Since 1997, the earliest data The Post was able to access, there had never been more than five subway murders in a single year until the COVID-19 pandemic struck in 2020 and brought that number up to six for the first time in decades.

The next year, murders shot up to eight. So far in 2022, there have already been seven killings.

Together with 2020’s toll, that’s 21 slayings — which is more murders than the transit system saw between 2008 and 2019 combined.

“It used to be ‘I know if I don’t go to this neighborhood, I will be safe,’ but today you don’t have that,” said Professor Maria Haberfeld from CUNY’s John Jay College of Criminal, a former lieutenant in the Israel National Police.

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The number of murders on the subways has skyrocketed since 2020.Composite
“You can take the subway anywhere at any time of day, in broad daylight, and there is no guarantee of safety,” she told The Post.

The transit killings come after public officials have repeatedly promised to flood subway platforms and cars with police officers under Mayor Eric Adams’ subway safety plan, which has sought to reduce violence by cracking down on quality-of-life offenses and homelessness.

Despite the efforts, overall felony crime on the subways is up a whopping 42% compared so far this year compared to the same period in 2021 — and this year’s death toll is on pace to eclipse the eight murders clocked last year.

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Police investigate a fatal stabbing on the subway.Christopher Sadowski

Most recently, two Big Apple dads – Tommy Bailey, 43, and Charles Moore, 38 – were separately knifed to death on their commutes home from work in random attacks that have left experts scratching their heads.

“It makes no sense,” said Chris Herrmann, an assistant professor at John Jay, who once served as a crime statistics expert at the NYPD.

“The victim wasn’t threatening, the victim was leaving, it doesn’t make sense when it comes to the victim-offender relationship,” Herrmann said, referencing Moore’s Oct. 6 murder at the 176th Street station in The Bronx, which happened right after the Citi Field worker had exited the train.

“It’s definitely a much more violent subway system, and it’s ironic when you look at the ridership numbers, it’s still down, so those numbers stand out even more.”

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Seven people have been murdered on the subway system so far in 2022.Christopher Sadowski

Before the COVID-19 pandemic, in 2019, when an average 142 million people rode the trains each month, three murders happened in the subway system. These days, an average of just 81 million people are taking the train monthly, a small uptick from 2020 and 2021, which saw an average of 53.3 million and 63.3 million riders per month, respectively.

Dr. Dorothy Schulz, a professor emerita of law and police studies from John Jay College, said the low ridership numbers could be why so much violence is happening underground.

“Less subway activity by commuters or tourists has contributed to the fact that the percentage of people who are on the subway or streets with mental-health issues is higher,” Schulz told The Post.

“The subways are safer when there are more legitimate riders, commuters, tourists, whatever. That’s a place where the quaint expression ‘there is safety in numbers’ comes in,” Schulz said. “It keeps the others in check [on] the subway particularly, because if you are alone, there is a sense of vulnerability, and if there is someone looking to attack, they sense that.”

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There were more murders on the subway over the last three years than 2008-2019 combined.Michael Dalton

The MTA pointed out that homicides per million riders dropped 18% between 2021 and 2022 but acknowledged “violence is never acceptable.

“There’s no way to console those who have lost loved ones, and with murders dropping this year citywide by 14%, we are confident the NYPD will bring the same success to the transit system,” MTA rep Sean Butler said.

While overall crime on the rails is down 5% so far this year compared to the same time period in 2019, when ridership numbers were stable, straphangers are still 53% more likely to be the victim of a felony crime this year when factoring in the low ridership numbers.

During a crime-stats press briefing Friday, the morning after Moore was killed, NYPD Transit Chief Jason Wilcox intimated that violence in the subways is more “perception” than “reality.”

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The number of murders on the subway system have been going up since 2020.

“The mayor, the NYPD and the MTA implemented a subway safety plan at the start of this year. The mission then and now is to confront the many challenges we race on the subways, including crime, quality of life and homelessness,” Wilcox said.

“We fully understand that perception could sometimes influence behavior just as much as reality can. So as the commissioner said, we remain committed to ensuring our public transit rides are not only safe but that they feel safe, too.”

To ensure New Yorkers are feeling safe underground, he said, NYPD Commissioner Keechant Sewell partnered with the MTA to record audio announcements that’ll air every 15 minutes at 400 subway stations through the end of October.

“Hello, I’m NYPD Commissioner Keechant Sewell. New York relies on its subway system like no other city in the nation. And your NYPD officers are working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to keep it safe,” one of the announcements states.

“Enjoy your ride, and thank you for choosing mass transit.”

 
A MMA fighter is expected to tap out during a chokehold and the referee ensure his opponent disengaged....

Seems excessive.
 
I think when Americans can't kill someone else, they just kill themselves. The most violent country. Mother murdered, homeless, mental illness, killed in a filthy subway - life of an average american.
 
Now when subway riders fight back they get in trouble...

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I guess it is better to let innocent passengers get chokeholded by the criminals

If any group of people want to intervene, they should get someone to record the crazy person and his behavior before they intervene, to give the public some context.

Only then, as a group, verbally and loudly try to reason with the man and only failing that, begin to subdue him.

They should also the give him the “polite” treatment, aka “Sir, Sir”. The way the Swedish cops did a few years ago. And for God sake no chokeholds.

New York law says Force can be used in a proportional manner and only to restrain the person in these kinds of incidents according to a lawyer I saw in a news interview yesterday on the matter.

The Good Samaritans need to follow this example from Sweden:

“Take it easy, Sir, Calm Down, ok?, Everything is going to be ok”

Then ask the perp “are you injured?” And get him on camera to say “No”

But after such an engagement we need to expand our long term mental health care faculties to take these offenders to long term care. The deceased had 40 prior arrests including assault.

IMHO, if we adequately deal with the drug and mental health crisis, we can better tackle the economic/housing issues; I.e. a lot more public housing can be built without fear it will become a center of crime in the area. if there is a no tolerance policy for drug issues and uncontrolled mental health issues, it will attract federal and state funding.

If the wealthy and middle class people feel safer in the city, and the tourists come back, the city can generate the revenue to climb out of this mess. It was done in the 90s and 2000s. I watched it transform with my own eyes.
 
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But after such an engagement we need to expand our long term mental health care faculties to take these offenders to long term care. The deceased had 40 prior arrests including assault.

IMHO, if we adequately deal with the drug and mental health crisis, we can better tackle the economic/housing issues; I.e. a lot more public housing can be built without fear it will become a center of crime in the area. if there is a no tolerance policy for drug issues and uncontrolled mental health issues, it will attract federal and state funding.

If the wealthy and middle class people feel safer in the city, and the tourists come back, the city can generate the revenue to climb out of this mess. It was done in the 90s and 2000s. I watched it transform with my own eyes.
This is not a social issue but a political one. YOU observed it yourself. NYC is in the grip of a politically careless group -- the Democratic Party. We see either the same or similar pattern in other Democratic run cities. Not all, but enough. Salt Lake City? Topeka? Denver? Juneau? Boooorinnnggg...Yaaawwwnnnn...No news in those cities.

The people must suffer the politics and policies of their leaderships. That is one of the many prices we must pay in order to have a society and eventually a civilization. No country is immune from this. Currently, Democratic politicians cares more about being 'cool' than being effective leaders, and Democratic voters seems to care more about ideals than about practicality. So here we are.
 
This is not a social issue but a political one. YOU observed it yourself. NYC is in the grip of a politically careless group -- the Democratic Party. We see either the same or similar pattern in other Democratic run cities. Not all, but enough. Salt Lake City? Topeka? Denver? Juneau? Boooorinnnggg...Yaaawwwnnnn...No news in those cities.

The people must suffer the politics and policies of their leaderships. That is one of the many prices we must pay in order to have a society and eventually a civilization. No country is immune from this. Currently, Democratic politicians cares more about being 'cool' than being effective leaders, and Democratic voters seems to care more about ideals than about practicality. So here we are.

It is definitely primarily a political issue, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t real economic issues, and the mental health and drug issues.

Remember after Dinkins (considered by many as incompetent) we had Giuliani. Hopefully after Adams we will get a Republican mayor, that runs on getting a mandate from the people to solve the mental health issues, drug issues, and housing issues. If a recession lingers it’s not an impossibility.
 
It is definitely primarily a political issue, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t real economic issues, and the mental health and drug issues.

Remember after Dinkins (considered by many as incompetent) we had Giuliani. Hopefully after Adams we will get a Republican mayor, that runs on getting a mandate from the people to solve the mental health issues, drug issues, and housing issues. If a recession lingers it’s not an impossibility.
Am not denying that. What you listed are what NYC society and people is paying for Democratic leaders to be 'cool'. Once you voted someone in, you have to live with them. Or move, if you cannot.
 
Am not denying that. What you listed are what NYC society and people is paying for Democratic leaders to be 'cool'. Once you voted someone in, you have to live with them. Or move, if you cannot.
Many New Yorkers hoped Adams, the former cop, would be a moderate democrat that focuses on the issues. If he fails, which it looks like he’s going to, and the economy tanks, many in New York are not beyond ditching the virtue signaling and voting for a moderate Republican similar to Governer Youngkin Virginia.

Policies have to be implemented from the top to deal with these issues, because people see they are risking their lives and freedom if they intervene. The following is not unusual.
 
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