US, India Consider C-17 Exchange

[thestringshredder]

US, India Consider C-17 Exchange

Pacific Air Forces Commander Gen. Hawk Carlisle said the United States and India are considering an exchange program for their respective C-17 units. “There are opportunities for us to learn from each other,” Carlisle told reporters during a July 29 meeting in Washington, D.C. He noted, however, that the exchange is not yet a done deal.

The Indians “are doing some pretty neat things,” with their newly acquired C-17s, he said. For example, they regularly land the C-17 and deliver cargo on runways that are located at 11,000 feet to 13,000 feet in elevation, which is “harrowing” for larger cargo aircraft, he said. India received its first C-17 in June. It took delivery of its second one on July 22 from manufacturer Boeing, announced the company. India has 10 C-17s on order; they are slated for delivery by 2014.

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[satishkumarcsc]

US, India Consider C-17 Exchange

Pacific Air Forces Commander Gen. Hawk Carlisle said the United States and India are considering an exchange program for their respective C-17 units. “There are opportunities for us to learn from each other,” Carlisle told reporters during a July 29 meeting in Washington, D.C. He noted, however, that the exchange is not yet a done deal.

The Indians “are doing some pretty neat things,” with their newly acquired C-17s, he said. For example, they regularly land the C-17 and deliver cargo on runways that are located at 11,000 feet to 13,000 feet in elevation, which is “harrowing” for larger cargo aircraft, he said. India received its first C-17 in June. It took delivery of its second one on July 22 from manufacturer Boeing, announced the company. India has 10 C-17s on order; they are slated for delivery by 2014.

Link - US, India Consider C-17 Exchange | idrw.org

Didnt it pass the evaluation trials on the Leh airfields before it was selected?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Didnt it pass the evaluation trials on the Leh airfields before it was selected?

Of course it did.


Interesting the C-17 has just jumped in feet first into carrying out routine missions for the IAF.

 

[Hulk]

Didnt it pass the evaluation trials on the Leh airfields before it was selected?

He is taking about frequency. I am wondering what are they going to gain with this any idea?

 

[acetophenol]

Man, we just had them for a few months and they are talking about an exchange program?

 

[Contrarian]

US, India Consider C-17 Exchange


The Indians “are doing some pretty neat things,” with their newly acquired C-17s, he said. For example, they regularly land the C-17 and deliver cargo on runways that are located at 11,000 feet to 13,000 feet in elevation, which is “harrowing” for larger cargo aircraft,

Interesting.
Already put to use in those areas.

 

[SRP]

What we will get from this exchange?

 

[faithfulguy]

What we will get from this exchange?

Boeing can make the plane better for high altitude.

 

[Abingdonboy]

He is taking about frequency. I am wondering what are they going to gain with this any idea?

What we will get from this exchange?

The way I see it- the USAF side is the one who will gain the most. They will get first-hand experience of undertaking these extreme missions on a regular basis.

Building these kind if proffesional relationships is always good though.

 

[AADHAAR]

US has a truly enviable leadership in building military transports ... these are of very high strategic value, even compared to 5th gen fighters.

USAF took over the leadership from Luftwaffe during the WW2 ... and has been throughly advanced, compared to anything which the Soviets ever managed.

Indeed, it will be quite formidable a gap to cover, for India to close in to the technological capabilities of USAF and USN.

Although, off course, we don't compete with them .. but co-operate with them as partners.

We have a lot to gain from partnership with USA. These advanced transports have been a game changer for India.

Hope the operational experience of IAF with these transports is being passed over to HAL and DRDO ... they need to know, what they need to target for !!

 

[Capt.Popeye]

He is taking about frequency. I am wondering what are they going to gain with this any idea?

Routine Training Exchange Programs. The USAF Air-Crew can come and train at Indian Airfields in the N and NE and get exposure to the difficult conditions there. The last time around, in 1963, USAF crews flew in C-130s, C-119s and C-46 aircraft into those airfields; they were amazed at the ability of IAF transport crews to fly in and out of them. Though in all fairness; USAAF crews flew through that area "over the hump" to China. But that was in WW 2. And all the pilots and their skills were gone. So they picked up tips from IAF Transpost crews who regularly ventured where Fighter crews would be loath to wander.

The USAF also imbibed the concept of adding the "Jet Pack" to the C-119 Packet from the IAF innovation to give the Packet "hot and high" capabilities that it lacked. That was a great bit of IAF's innovative jugaad, when the Gnat's Orpheus Jet engine was added to the Packet. The USAF commended that.

So this means some movement towards reviving that kind of interactive training. Just as the US Army has been doing while joint training at CIJWS and in Rajasthan. To learn some new tricks.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Interesting.
Already put to use in those areas.

They certainly are being used there. All new aircraft are put to heavy use 'post-induction' so that SOPs can be rapidly created and refined/validated while also training Air-Crews. Once that is done; the frenetic pace may slow down a bit to routine levels.
After the all-important SOPs are set up. The scope for 'by the seat of one's pants' flying is very little nowadays; its not safe to do so.

 

[a.kumar]

Indian will be Second biggest operator of C-17 when all aircrafts are delivered

 

[IND151]

The way I see it- the USAF side is the one who will gain the most. They will get first-hand experience of undertaking these extreme missions on a regular basis.

Building these kind if proffesional relationships is always good though.

agreed

and they can make changes in upcoming versions according to the analysis of data they will get

 

[Capt.Popeye]

agreed

and they can make changes in upcoming versions according to the analysis of data they will get

That may or may not happen; depending on the "need factor". The necessity and the gravity of the need(s). Apart from cost-effectiveness.
As the old adage goes: why fix it, if it ai'nt broke?