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UNESCO make Jordanian river bank where Jesus was baptised as World Heritage Site | Daily Mail Online
  • UNESCO made Jordanian bank of the River Jordan a World Heritage Site
  • UN agency ruled east side of river was more likely to be Jesus' baptism site
  • But more tourists visit the claimed baptism site in Israel, west of the river
  • Scholars say official ruling has 'nothing to do with archaeological reality'
By Ollie Gillman for MailOnline

Published: 14:53 GMT, 13 July 2015 | Updated: 16:40 GMT, 13 July 2015

For years, Christian pilgrims have waded into the River Jordan from both its eastern and western banks to meet at the site of one of the religion's most important events - the baptism of Jesus.

With followers entering the water from both Israel in the west and Jordan in the east, the two nations have shared the tradition - and the vital income from tourism.

But now UNESCO have weighed in, ruling that Jordan's claim is more accurate and making its riverbank a World Heritage Site.

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Religious row: UNESCO have made Jordan's side (pictured) of the River Jordan a World Heritage Site for being the baptism site of Jesus, angering Israeli's who claim their side of the riverbank is the actual location

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Christian pilgrims have visited both baptism sites for years, entering from the Israeli and the Jordanian side

The UN cultural agency declared this month that the east riverbank 'is believed to be' where Jesus was baptised, but the decision has raised eyebrows among some scholars.

Jodi Magness, an archaeologist at the University of North Carolina, said it 'has nothing to do with archaeological reality'.

'We don't have any sites with evidence or archaeological remains that were continuously venerated from the first century on,' she added.

Experts who reviewed the Jordanian application for UNESCO admitted there was no solid evidence confirming that 'Bethany Beyond the Jordan,' also known as al-Maghtas, Arabic for baptism, is the authentic site.

However, the Jordanian site is of 'immense religious significance to the majority of denominations of Christian faith, who have accepted this site as the location' of Jesus' baptism, the academics said.

In the New Testament of the Bible, John 1:28 hints that the baptism took place on the eastern bank, saying: 'These things were done in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.'

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Russian Orthodox Christians bathe in the River Jordan, which divides Israel and Jordan, entering from the Israeli side

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The UN cultural agency declared this month that the east riverbank - in Jordan - 'is believed to be' where Jesus was baptised. Pictured: Pope Emeritus Benedict visits the Jordanian side in 2009

The UN's declaration was welcomed in Jordan, where tourism has taken a huge hit since the Arab Spring uprising in 2011 and the rise of ISIS.

Jordan's tourism minister, Nayef al-Fayez, said the decision sent a message of tolerance. The kingdom's rulers 'who are the direct descendants of the Prophet Muhammad ... are the same ones who are protecting one of the holiest sites of Christianity,' he said.

Israel is yet to comment on the decision, while a Palestinian officials said a baptism site on the western side of the river should be recognised.

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On the other side: Pope John Paul II visited the Israeli bank of the river in 2000

The Israeli-run site, known as Qasr al-Yahud, is located in the West Bank, one of three territories captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war and sought by the Palestinians for a state. The baptism site is in a part of the West Bank that remains under full Israeli military occupation.

Israel's site draws more tourists than Jordan's as it is part of the Holy Land pilgrimage trial which takes Christians through Nazareth and Jerusalem.

Half a million people visited Qasr al-Yahud while tens of thousands went to al-Maghtas.

Despite this, Israeli expert on pilgrimage Yisci Harani said 'if there is theological dictum to use one side, I would say the eastern side'.

However he added that both side should have been recognised as a single site to reflect the meaning of baptism as a journey from the 'spiritual desert' to the Holy Land.

A number of denominations, including Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox and Lutherans, have written letters of support for the Jordanian side, which three popes have visited since 2000.

The Greek Orthodox Church considers 'both sides as holy sites,' said Issa Musleh, a spokesman for the church said.

During Epiphany celebrations, he said, worshippers come from the east and the west and 'meet in the river.'
 
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Interesting. Several historical sites in the Arab world have been designated as World UNESCO Heritage Sites this month so far. I think that the number of World UNESCO Heritage Sites in the Arab world is approaching 100 sites which is mighty impressive, cradle of civilization or not.

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/قائمة_مواقع_التراث_العالمي_في_الدول_العربية

The truth is also that many more historical sites should/could easily be World UNESCO Heritage Sites and many have been partially destroyed due to wars or are endangered. Nothing that cannot be rebuilt though.

Good news for Jordan. Petra will still be THE destination in Jordan though.

Petra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hashemites of Jordan are not only custodians of the Jordan River but also the Al-Aqsa Mosque and half of Al-Quds (Jerusalem).

Also as Semites we should protect holy sites and historical sites that are connected to our Abrahamic/Semitic religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) especially in our own backyard (Arab World).

Jordan has understood that and done an excellent job.

In many ways considering the political climate of the region and realities, Jordan is a model country. It would be a leading country if it was blessed with natural resources such as GCC, Iraq and Iran have been. I have no doubt about it. Christian Arabs in Jordan and minorities also live very well and Jordan has absorbed many non-Arab communities too, for instance Jordan has the second biggest Circassian community in the world after Turkey.

Jordan's system is much better than many of the systems in the ME although not perfect of course. I will always have a soft spot for Jordan and Jordanians. As a Hijazi it's impossible not to have that. Same story with our brothers and sisters in nearby Egypt, remaining Sham and Yemen. It's a Shame that Arabia and Sham were never united into 1 country 100 years ago again as was the case for centuries and millenniums (if you include pre-Islamic civilizations) as initially planned and hoped for by the people. At least what is modern-day Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and Israel today.
 
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Interesting. Several historical sites in the Arab world have been designated as World UNESCO Heritage Sites this month so far. I think that the number of World UNESCO Heritage Sites in the Arab world is approaching 100 sites which is mighty impressive, cradle of civilization or not.

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/قائمة_مواقع_التراث_العالمي_في_الدول_العربية

The truth is also that many more historical sites should/could easily be World UNESCO Heritage Sites and many have been partially destroyed due to wars or are endangered. Nothing that cannot be rebuilt though.

Good news for Jordan. Petra will still be THE destination in Jordan though.

Petra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hashemites of Jordan are not only custodians of the Jordan River but also the Al-Aqsa Mosque and half of Al-Quds (Jerusalem).

Also as Semites we should protect holy sites and historical sites that are connected to our Abrahamic/Semitic religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) especially in our own backyard (Arab World).

Jordan has understood that and done an excellent job.
I'm curious as to what the Muslim view on the Baptism is?
Can't think of how anybody could know whether he was baptised in the Jordanian part rather than the Israeli.
 
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I'm curious as to what the Muslim view on the Baptism is?
Can't think of how anybody could know whether he was baptised in the Jordanian part rather than the Israeli.

There is no baptism in Islam.

Maybe this will help you.

Do Muslims Celebrate Baptism? - Interfaith Issues - counsels - OnIslam.net

Religious initiation rites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The article of this thread states this;

"In the New Testament of the Bible, John 1:28 hints that the baptism took place on the eastern bank, saying: 'These things were done in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.'"

Although it concludes that there is uncertainty in terms of which side of the Jordan River the supposed baptism took place.

In my view both sides of the Jordan River should have been included as we do not know with certainty which side it was.

In any case I have Roman Catholic relatives and I have witnessed a baptism in a Roman Catholic Church and found the ritual rather harmless. Most infants/babies do cry though when they get water on their heads.:lol: People just do it out of tradition and less so due to religion I believe. At least in France where religion (Roman Catholicism) nowadays has a very little role in society. Mostly only among elders and conservative families. The French Revolution in 1789 was the beginning of the end for the Roman Catholic Church in France in terms of power.

Most Muslims in France are not particularly religious either and many are only religious when it suits them.

What about the UK and the Anglican Church? Is there baptism there and how does it differ from the Catholic rite?
 
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There is no baptism in Islam.

Maybe this will help you.

Do Muslims Celebrate Baptism? - Interfaith Issues - counsels - OnIslam.net

Religious initiation rites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The article of this thread states this;

"In the New Testament of the Bible, John 1:28 hints that the baptism took place on the eastern bank, saying: 'These things were done in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.'"

Although it concludes that there is uncertainty in terms of which side of the Jordan River the supposed baptism took place.

In my view both sides of the Jordan River should have been included as we do not know with certainty which side it was.

In any case I have Roman Catholic relatives and I have witnessed a baptism in a Roman Catholic Church and found the ritual rather harmless. Most infants/babies do cry though when they get water on their heads.:lol: People just do it out of tradition and less so due to religion I believe. At least in France where religion (Roman Catholicism) nowadays has a very little role in society. Mostly only among elders and conservative families. The French Revolution in 1789 was the beginning of the end for the Roman Catholic Church in France in terms of power.

Most Muslims in France are not particularly religious either and many are only religious when it suits them.

What about the UK and the Anglican Church? Is there baptism there and how does it differ from the Catholic rite?


Hi,

So---how would you categorize saying the verses of Aazan in the ears of the new born child born to a muslim household.
 
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Hi,

So---how would you categorize saying the verses of Aazan in the ears of the new born child born to a muslim household.

Salam my friend.

It is Sunnah and thus recommended aside from it being done by many Muslim families across the world. I would not compare it with baptism as that ritual is a pillar in Christianity. What you described is not a pillar in Islam but something that is Sunnah and thus recommended. I am quite sure that many, many Muslim families are not doing it though. After all it's not obligatory.

I am no Sheikh/Mullah or scholar of Islam though and I have to admit that I don't know if Ibadi Muslims for instance or Shia have such practices.
 
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Salam my friend.

It is Sunnah and thus recommended aside from it being done by many Muslim families across the world. I would not compare it with baptism as that ritual is a pillar in Christianity. What you described is not a pillar in Islam but something that is Sunnah and thus recommended. I am quite sure that many, many Muslim families are not doing it though. After all it's not obligatory.

I am no Sheikh/Mullah or scholar of Islam though and I have to admit that I don't know if Ibadi Muslims for instance or Shia have such practices.


Hi,

Thank you for your post. Indeed baptism is a pillar of Christianity--but as is the practice of azan being said in the baby ears is so dominant in the society---it becomes similar to baptism---.

I do not know of any segment of muslims who do not say the word of Allah in the baby's ears. So---even though it is not a pillar of the belief---but by default it has become a must.

But then----how is the child's religion determined if one does not say the azan in the ears of the child----how then is this 'baptismal' accomplished-----!
 
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Hi,

Thank you for your post. Indeed baptism is a pillar of Christianity--but as is the practice of azan being said in the baby ears is so dominant in the society---it becomes similar to baptism---.

I do not know of any segment of muslims who do not say the word of Allah in the baby's ears. So---even though it is not a pillar of the belief---but by default it has become a must.

But then----how is the child's religion determined if one does not say the azan in the ears of the child----how then is this 'baptismal' accomplished-----!

You can say that it has become a cultural and religious rite based on the Sunnah but it is not a pillar as baptism in Christianity is.

As Muslims we believe that all humans are born Muslim.

All this in a pure and natural state free of sin (this is called fitrah), regardless of the religion of the parents (or the lack of it). It is the baby's parents or guardians who will shape the baby into the family's religion, culture, etc.

Fitra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the baby grows up he or she will be able to determine whether Islam is a religion for him/her. Born into a Muslim family or non-Muslim family.

I hope this was answer enough here less than 72 hours before Eid al-Fitr.:tup:
 
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