UAE made air launched cruise missile

[Titanium100]

The saber missile will get IR seeker and TERCOM in future variants according to a design engineer at Halcon.

It will likely be carried on Rafale and Mirages before their replacement in 2026.

Rafale can carry two of these on the hardpoints that the SCALP can be carried on.

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Will the rafale come with Scalp and Meteor

 

[Philip the Arab]

Will the rafale come with Scalp and Meteor

SCALP, yes.

Meteor maybe.

 

[blain2]

While good for the UAE and without rubbing anyone the wrong way and being the odd man out, I hope people realize that these are all weapons which are western designed and supported by western arms industries. UAE get to claim join venture and put an indigenous stamp on these but UAE's industrial and research capacity is extremely limited and these systems are honestly way beyond their capacity (even design wise). This is essentially the same as when the UAE paid LM to design a UAE specific F-16 version. They funded the development of the platform beyond what the Americans were making available in the then blocks 40/50 and all the work was done by resources in the US with some program level involvement from the UAEAF and defense ministry.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I hope people realize that these are all weapons which are western designed and supported by western arms industries.

Wrong, these are designed by South Africans working in the UAE and parts are sourced from India, China and other countries. Dont speak without knowledge, please.

The South Africans were involved in programs such as the Raad, MUPSOW, TORGOS, Raptor, etc that gave them experience related to Standoff weapons.

Check the Made in the UAE thread for more info, they have hundreds of South Africans and hundreds of Emirati engineers involved in Halcon which produces missiles.

They have over 700 employees by now at least and that is a conservative guess.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/halconsystems

 

[Battlion25]

Wrong, these are designed by South Africans working in the UAE and parts are sourced from India, China and other countries. Dont speak without knowledge, please.

The South Africans were involved in programs such as the Raad, MUPSOW, TORGOS, Raptor, etc that gave them experience related to Standoff weapons.

Check the Made in the UAE thread for more info, they have hundreds of South Africans and hundreds of Emirati engineers involved in Halcon which produces missiles.

They have over 700 employees by now at least and that is a conservative guess.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/halconsystems

Haven't seen you around lately?

Yes by the way I agree with your statement. There are even Emirate female engineers working on Cruise missiles and I have even meet some of them last time I was visting for an event and they seemed quite nice and friendly despite the place being crowded

 

[Philip the Arab]

Haven't seen you around lately?

Yes by the way I agree with your statement. There are even Emirate female engineers working on Cruise missiles and I have even meet some of them last time I was visting for an event and they seemed quite nice and friendly despite the place being crowded

Could you provide more details about them please?

 

[Battlion25]

Could you provide more details about them please?

I personally didn't know any of them just meet them briefly in Dubai Expo 2020 during an exhibition there were many people there. They were nice and answered questions if asked

 

[blain2]

Wrong, these are designed by South Africans working in the UAE and parts are sourced from India, China and other countries. Dont speak without knowledge, please.

The South Africans were involved in programs such as the Raad, MUPSOW, TORGOS, Raptor, etc that gave them experience related to Standoff weapons.

Check the Made in the UAE thread for more info, they have hundreds of South Africans and hundreds of Emirati engineers involved in Halcon which produces missiles.

They have over 700 employees by now at least and that is a conservative guess.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/halconsystems

Ok, let it be South African (although I can tell you that isn't the entire story as they were primarily only involved in NIMR and TAWAZUN ventures whereas the Europeans and Americans are involved in far more initiatives). I am still on point on what I write about the industrial wherewithal and knowledge-base being very limited in the UAE. I have worked sufficiently enough in the region to have a decent understanding of what these countries are/are not capable of. I am also not being tribal here so don't take it personally.

When you refer me to "Made in the UAE" thread, please realize that is what I'm talking about. While it is a great initiative by the UAE authorities, most of the products are essentially designed, prototyped and tested with outsourced resources and then given the "Made in the UAE" tag. All countries do that to some extent but in the case of the UAE, that is even more so the deal. The downside is that you run the risks of ToT hold-back on account of political and other strategic reasons. The only way to get around it is to have sufficient indigenous skills and know-how and the UAE will be challenged in this regard as stated in the following ISS study:

"Efforts to ‘Emiratise’ manufacturing face a significant structural roadblock: the native population in the UAE is smaller than the population of Munich. Having a ‘Made in the UAE’ brand, therefore, will not equate to Emirati production. The reliance on foreign engineers and high-skilled workers does not guarantee sustainable industrial advances."

 

[The SC]

Ok, let it be South African (although I can tell you that isn't the entire story as they were primarily only involved in NIMR and TAWAZUN ventures whereas the Europeans and Americans are involved in far more initiatives). I am still on point on what I write about the industrial wherewithal and knowledge-base being very limited in the UAE. I have worked sufficiently enough in the region to have a decent understanding of what these countries are/are not capable of. I am also not being tribal here so don't take it personally.

When you refer me to "Made in the UAE" thread, please realize that is what I'm talking about. While it is a great initiative by the UAE authorities, most of the products are essentially designed, prototyped and tested with outsourced resources and then given the "Made in the UAE" tag. All countries do that to some extent but in the case of the UAE, that is even more so the deal. The downside is that you run the risks of ToT hold-back on account of political and other strategic reasons. The only way to get around it is to have sufficient indigenous skills and know-how and the UAE will be challenged in this regard as stated in the following ISS study:

"Efforts to ‘Emiratise’ manufacturing face a significant structural roadblock: the native population in the UAE is smaller than the population of Munich. Having a ‘Made in the UAE’ brand, therefore, will not equate to Emirati production. The reliance on foreign engineers and high-skilled workers does not guarantee sustainable industrial advances."

Well it can be sustainable when currently the UAE have prepared thousands of skilled and specialized engineers to shadow the foreign ones in every specialization..

For example, you know that the US missiles and nuclear bombs were made by German i,e. foreign engineers and specialist teams taken to the US.. and a few years later Americans took on and improved them.. The same with many Russian and European military systems..