Pakistan rejects China debt trap theories

[Yaseen1]

india has accepted slavery of imf ,it not means we also accept it and not look at alternate sources,
u.s has spread virus in china but their allies are supporting them but if new virus starts from other country it will defeat u.s logic that the nation from where virus originate is responsible for it,
chinese local brands have gained market share in past years and even some companies move out of china these brands will gain more market within china hence reducing outflow of money from china to western world which western companies did

What are those products hero,daily electronics??
Literally nothing of consideration till last few years... Only since last few years china produced some good quality high end engineering material ( am not sure regarding their economic frugality though ). IMF and china are different. Their targets are different. Even india borrowed from IMF at their terms


Good point actually... These are actually divided into skilled, semi skilled and highly skilled jobs. Only last is hard to replace

In today's scenario india already have all 3 ready.... I think Vietnam has also got a good base of workers


That will be the worst of all ideas, it will literally screw their name for ever. No one will ever side with them ever

 

[kris]

india has accepted slavery of imf ,it not means we also accept it and not look at alternate sources,
u.s has spread virus in china but their allies are supporting them but if new virus starts from other country it will defeat u.s logic that the nation from where virus originate is responsible for it,
chinese local brands have gained market share in past years and even some companies move out of china these brands will gain more market within china hence reducing outflow of money from china to western world which western companies did

Ok when you called us slaves for taking IMF loan once, what do you call your country that has taken such loans 13 times and not keeping promises even once

Be agood muslim. Don't lie in ramzan

india has accepted slavery of imf ,it not means we also accept it and not look at alternate sources,
u.s has spread virus in china but their allies are supporting them but if new virus starts from other country it will defeat u.s logic that the nation from where virus originate is responsible for it,
chinese local brands have gained market share in past years and even some companies move out of china these brands will gain more market within china hence reducing outflow of money from china to western world which western companies did

No need to bat for china in this thread mate.. respective threads exists...

 

[Yaseen1]

imf loan are not on promise they are based on securities if you not fulfill them they not give loan again so repeated loan suggest that their demands were met

Ok when you called us slaves for taking IMF loan once, what do you call your country that has taken such loans 13 times and not keeping promises even once

Be agood muslim. Don't lie in ramzan


No need to bat for china in this thread mate.. respective threads exists...

 

[kris]

imf loan are not on promise they are based on securities if you not fulfill them they not give loan again so repeated loan suggest that their demands were met

I didn't ask any of them,don't even know if your claim is true!
Answer my question... Or chew back your words

 

[Enigma SIG]

This whole projects was meant for facilitating the movement of Chinese goods to the countries in South and Central Asia. But the spread of China virus has angered almost every country in the world and this anger is directed against China and many countries have started to reduce trade with China gradually and banning China made goods. There won't be any buyers of Chinese goods soon so this project is already dead. There is won't be any returns for China.

You make it sound like only chinese vehicles will be allowed to use the infrastructure which in on itself is a lame argument.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Be agood muslim. Don't lie in ramzan

It's over. Now he can lie.

imf loan are not on promise they are based on securities if you not fulfill them they not give loan again so repeated loan suggest that their demands were met

What security have you given for your current IMF loan.

 

[kris]

It's over. Now he can lie.



What security have you given for your current IMF loan.

What is left there to provide security....

 

[Nasr]

China literally got Pakistan by its ba*ls.

Really? And weren't held by the balls by america when we were sanctioned multiple times 1965, 1971, 1987 & 1998? What happened there? Didn't we survive?

You are dependent on them financially, diplomatically and military....

You seem to make the error of equating China with america. The latter is owned in it's totality by zionists. Also, the whole point of investing in CPEC was for Pakistanis to pull up their bootstraps and work hard and gain an edge by taking advantage of the infrastructure development in Pakistan. CPEC is Pakistan's golden goose, but it ain't gonna lay any gold eggs unless Pakistanis learn to work hard and strive further together.

You can't exploit them. They already have exploited you

Again, when a nation learns to respect itself and as a nation, you pull each other up and fight hard for what you work for. Then even your enemy would respect and be cautious not to put the wrong foot forward. China is our friend and ally, forget enemy.

Pakistanis have this golden opportunity to unite as a nation and brush off this ridiculous mentality we have that we can't fight the corrupt.

 

[kris]

Really? And weren't held by the balls by america when we were sanctioned multiple times 1965, 1971, 1987 & 1998? What happened there? Didn't we survive?



You seem to make the error of equating China with america. The latter is owned in it's totality by zionists. Also, the whole point of investing in CPEC was for Pakistanis to pull up their bootstraps and work hard and gain an edge by taking advantage of the infrastructure development in Pakistan. CPEC is Pakistan's golden goose, but it ain't gonna lay any gold eggs unless Pakistanis learn to work hard and strive further together.



Again, when a nation learns to respect itself and as a nation, you pull each other up and fight hard for what you work for. Then even your enemy would respect and be cautious not to put the wrong foot forward. China is our friend and ally, forget enemy.

Pakistanis have this golden opportunity to unite as a nation and brush off this ridiculous mentality we have that we can't fight the corrupt.

Sanctions are different, financial dependents are different. Even though there were sanctions by usa they were not for very long period. More over they always helped you covertly. The question is not about survival here. Question is about independence and sovereignty...

Question of who dictates usa policies is irrelevant... Next no nations development is designed by one project alone never happened before. At the most it can inject some adrenaline to move forward. Just a boost, initiator at the most... At the most you got to brag about in CPEC is good roads , electricity generation that too costly and not competitively priced for industries even then not sufficient for your countries needs.. For a country to progress you need to have R&D. No one will ever help you with that... Screwdriver jobs can never take you forward. You need some eggs to be laid to call it your golden goose...

And I really didn't understand your irrelevant reply to my statement....

 

[Nasr]

Sanctions are different, financial dependents are different. Even though there were sanctions by usa they were not for very long period. More over they always helped you covertly. The question is not about survival here. Question is about independence and sovereignty.

Tell that to the parasites (sharifs, zardaris, bhuttos, chaudhrys, talpurs and etc). It's not like China wanted to make Pakistan totally dependent on it. Had Pakistan's pathetic leadership of the past not screwed the nation over and sold their loyalty to Pakistan for money. We would not be in a position where we have all our eggs in one basket.

And it's not like Pakistan ordered the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan and come knocking at our doorstep. Not is it that the americans themselves started telling the world lies about Pakistan supporting terrorists. When in reality it's america, britain and france's clandestine agencies that created these terrorists in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Chad and elsewhere. Because of this, Pakistan was unable to diversify it's portfolio of foreign investment. And with parasites like sharifs, bhuttos and zardaris in power, who would want to do business with Pakistan?

For a country to progress you need to have R&D.

Again, wasn't possible with the likes of sharifs, bhuttos and zardaris in power.

No one will ever help you with that.

Really?! And all this time it was surreal to watch how the west has taken hindia by the pinky and tried to make it an economic power to rival or at least hedge against China.

Screwdriver jobs can never take you forward. You need some eggs to be laid to call it your golden goose.

No one said anything about "screwdriver jobs", unity is where a nation begins with. The infrastructure is there to provide the necessary impetus for a nation to surge forward economically. That's how all developing countries industrialized.

And I really didn't understand your irrelevant reply to my statement.

Zoom out, perhaps then you may grasp the meaning behind my observations.

 

[kris]

Tell that to the parasites (sharifs, zardaris, bhuttos, chaudhrys, talpurs and etc). It's not like China wanted to make Pakistan totally dependent on it. Had Pakistan's pathetic leadership of the past not screwed the nation over and sold their loyalty to Pakistan for money. We would not be in a position where we have all our eggs in one basket.

And it's not like Pakistan ordered the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan and come knocking at our doorstep. Not is it that the americans themselves started telling the world lies about Pakistan supporting terrorists. When in reality it's america, britain and france's clandestine agencies that created these terrorists in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Chad and elsewhere. Because of this, Pakistan was unable to diversify it's portfolio of foreign investment. And with parasites like sharifs, bhuttos and zardaris in power, who would want to do business with Pakistan?



Again, wasn't possible with the likes of sharifs, bhuttos and zardaris in power.



Really?! And all this time it was surreal to watch how the west has taken hindia by the pinky and tried to make it an economic power to rival or at least hedge against China.



No one said anything about "screwdriver jobs", unity is where a nation begins with. The infrastructure is there to provide the necessary impetus for a nation to surge forward economically. That's how all developing countries industrialized.



Zoom out, perhaps then you may grasp the meaning behind my observations.

Your leaders incompetence yesterday isn't gonna change your reality today.

Today most of your eggs are within chinese baskets..
Hindia grew it's it's balls and reached today's position step by step. Not at someone's mercy... It's self made story

Yesterday is over. Today is in your hands. Your country has chosen to go hands in gloves with terrorist organisations.... It's your fate now

 

[nahtanbob]

factories relocation requires half to one decade until that time many such events will occur which may effect this process,when china promote their own domestic currency instead of dollar for trade with these countries poverty will end in these countries and u.s and europe will become less rich,also demand of russian and gcc oil will rise once china buy their oil for production using their own currency instead of dollars and in return sell their products to these nations

for low end products it takes a month to relocate a factory. worst case 3-6 months

 

[Yaseen1]

western companies generally make high end products,low end products are mostly made by chinese companies these days

for low end products it takes a month to relocate a factory. worst case 3-6 months

 

[nahtanbob]

western companies generally make high end products,low end products are mostly made by chinese companies these days

it takes less than a month to relocate the factory to pakistan not years or decades as you claim