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China’s Economy Faces Yet Another Threat: Falling Prices

A deepening slowdown in the world’s second-biggest economy has now raised fears of deflation, which could be crippling for heavily indebted China.
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The United States has spent much of the past 18 months struggling to control inflation. China is experiencing the opposite problem: People and businesses are not spending, pushing the economy to the verge of a pernicious condition called deflation.

Consumer prices in China, after barely rising for the past several months, fell in July for the first time in more than two years, the country’s National Bureau of Statistics announced on Wednesday. For 10 straight months, the wholesale prices generally paid by businesses to factories and other producers have been down from a year earlier. Real estate prices are tumbling.

Those patterns have amplified concerns about deflation, a potentially crippling pattern of broadly falling prices that tend to also depress the net worth of households — as it did in Japan for years — and make it very hard for borrowers to repay their loans.

Deflation is particularly serious in a country with very high debt, like China. Overall debt is now larger in China, compared with national economic output, than in the United States.

The Chinese government has pressured economists inside the country not to mention the possibility of deflation, while publicly denying that deflation poses any risk.

“Generally speaking, there is no deflation in Chinese society and there won’t be in the future,” Fu Linghui, a National Bureau of Statistics official, declared at a news briefing on July 17.

But economists are concerned.

It has been nearly eight months since China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, relaxed stringent anti-pandemic measures that had paralyzed many parts of the economy. After exhibiting bursts of energy early this year, the Chinese economy, the world’s second largest, has started to slow. Economic policymakers are under increasing pressure to step in to help revive growth, something they have signaled a readiness to do but have not yet carried out in a meaningful way.

“The Chinese economy is squarely facing the specter of deflation, increasing the urgency of government measures to stimulate the economy and, perhaps more importantly, steps to rebuild household and business confidence,” said Eswar Prasad, an economics professor at Cornell University and former China division chief at the International Monetary Fund.

The prospect of sustained deflation only adds to China’s difficult problems when geopolitical tensions are driving the United States and other key economic partners like Germany to seek alternatives to China as a primary source of manufactured goods.

A weak appetite for Chinese goods from domestic and foreign buyers alike, demonstrated by a steep slide in exports this summer, represents a challenge for China, said Wang Dan, the chief economist at Hang Seng Bank China. Low exports are “driven by both slowing demand from the developed world and an effort to diversify supply away from China,” she said.

Consumer prices were down 0.3 percent in July from a year earlier. They were pulled down by declining food prices — particularly for pork, a staple of the Chinese diet — and falling car prices, the result of a price war and heavy discounting in the auto industry.

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Some measures of consumer prices, such those as for clothing, shoes and particularly health care, still showed small increases.

But producer prices declined 4.4 percent last month from July 2022, as weak demand has forced factories and other businesses to cut prices.

Perhaps most worryingly, particularly in a country where three-fifths of household assets are tied up in real estate, housing prices are falling.

According to the Beike Research Institute, a Tianjin firm, prices of existing homes in 100 cities across China have fallen an average of 14 percent from their peak in August 2021. Rents have fallen 5 percent.

Prices for new homes are much harder to assess. Official data shows smaller price declines for new apartments, but local governments have put heavy pressure on developers not to cut prices. That has prompted developers to pursue strategies like offering free parking spaces and other discounts, effectively pulling down the overall price of the home in ways that may not be readily reflected in government data.

The standard remedy for deflation is for the government to pump up the money supply, notably by encouraging banks to lend more. But not a lot of companies or households have shown much interest lately in borrowing, with the exception of state-owned enterprises, which are under instructions from government agencies to continue borrowing and investing even in projects with low returns.

China avoided broad deflation in early 2009, when prices fell during the global financial crisis, and again in 2012, when it also faced weak foreign and domestic demand. But rescuing the economy was easier then. Real estate prices have soared over the past decade, as China’s central bank has pumped out vast sums to keep the economy growing briskly and also to prevent the country’s currency, the renminbi, from becoming strong enough to undermine the export competitiveness of the country’s factories.

An upscale mall.

Plaza 66, one of many upscale shopping centers in Shanghai, in April.Credit...Qilai Shen for The New York Times

That caution has prompted economists outside mainland China to question whether the recent steps will make much of a difference.

“It’s like a high school principal exhorting his students to do better, rather than a measure to support economic activity,” said Andrew Collier at Orient Capital Research in Hong Kong.

Adam S. Posen, the president of the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, attributed China’s current economic weaknesses to Mr. Xi’s extreme response to Covid. In an article last week in Foreign Affairs, Mr. Posen called the phenomenon “economic long Covid.” Consumer confidence suffered lasting harm from municipal lockdowns, mass testing and the forced removal of very large numbers of people to specially built quarantine camps.

But China’s economic troubles have been building for several decades. China has relied lopsidedly on investment and exports since the early 1990s, while holding down wages and restricting the investment options of Chinese households so that they have had little alternative to putting money into new houses and factories.

Now China faces a very long expected glut of both. At the same time, the birthrate has plummeted and youth unemployment has soared. So new apartments — and the appliances and other accouterments of starting a home — are neither needed nor affordable for many people.

Last week, Chinese officials called on local and provincial governments to enact a series of measures to encourage consumers to spend. But the central government has been reluctant to pay for more consumer spending.


@beijingwalker everything is fine in China.
 
Honestly, as much as I hate Beijingwalker and his propaganda, I don't think China is in any immediate danger. Is it facing severe economic issues? Sure, but no more than the rest of the world.

A lot of it is overblown hype.

Besides, the last thing anyone should want is the second largest economy in the world to implode. It'll take half the world down with it.
 
Honestly, as much as I hate Beijingwalker and his propaganda, I don't think China is in any immediate danger. Is it facing severe economic issues? Sure, but no more than the rest of the world.

A lot of it is overblown hype.

Besides, the last thing anyone should want is the second largest economy in the world to implode. It'll take half the world down with it.

Good luck explaining that to the dumb-asses like the thread creator.
 
Honestly, as much as I hate Beijingwalker and his propaganda, I don't think China is in any immediate danger. Is it facing severe economic issues? Sure, but no more than the rest of the world.

A lot of it is overblown hype.

Besides, the last thing anyone should want is the second largest economy in the world to implode. It'll take half the world down with it.
Given that all the economic chaos they have been through since the pandemic, starting with real estate crisis, debt issue, unemployment or deflation, either the reports are highly exaggerated by western media, or some shady accounting is going on.
 
Given that all the economic chaos they have been through since the pandemic, starting with real estate crisis, debt issue, unemployment or deflation, either the reports are highly exaggerated by western media, or some shady accounting is going on.
It's probably a mix of both. China, despite attempts to clamp down on corruption, is still highly corrupt. Shady account is almost certainly going on.

However media exaggeration is also something that can't simply be dismissed. We've been hearing this doom and gloom about China's economy for the past 15 years, and while China's economy isn't doing so great, it is nowhere near collapse.
 
It's probably a mix of both. China, despite attempts to clamp down on corruption, is still highly corrupt. Shady account is almost certainly going on.

However media exaggeration is also something that can't simply be dismissed. We've been hearing this doom and gloom about China's economy for the past 15 years, and while China's economy isn't doing so great, it is nowhere near collapse.
Even if Chinese economy is exaggerated, as the media seems to suggest these days, it still is second in the world. You can't expect a large economy like that, to go bust in few months.

What every report however is pointing to and rightly so, is that there is trouble in China economics wise. Hyperbole aside, all these reports will aid in the true goal of pulling investments away from the red country. Nothing will happen over night, but money is flying out and new money isn't coming in.
 
It's probably a mix of both. China, despite attempts to clamp down on corruption, is still highly corrupt. Shady account is almost certainly going on.

However media exaggeration is also something that can't simply be dismissed. We've been hearing this doom and gloom about China's economy for the past 15 years, and while China's economy isn't doing so great, it is nowhere near collapse.
They were right. Just early.

They have lots of headwinds. I expect them to devalue CNY very soon.
 
The prob!em for China is that there is bipartisan agreement in the US that China is an enemy. Just listen to the Republican candidates or the Democrats.

This together with the upcoming population decline will taper off the China growth story to some degree however China will remain a major power and economy.
 
I think it will be just like what always happen before, media predict something bad will happen to China in the future because of this and that, but never actually happen.

Western media could play this game forever, but the wagon will just keep moving on.
 
I think it will be just like what always happen before, media predict something bad will happen to China in the future because of this and that, but never actually happen.

Western media could play this game forever, but the wagon will just keep moving on.
 
the instant they deviated from reform and opening is the instant they sealed their doom

but thats wat u get with chief economist terror feudal xi
 

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