Lithuania To Buy $112 Million Worth Norwegian Air Defense Systems

[Zarvan]

NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System)

Lithuania plans to buy $US112 million worth Norwegian and American mid-range air defense systems NASAMS.

"We plan to spend a bit more than 100 million euros," Lithuanian Defense Minister Juozas Olekas told BNS news agency.

Two of the country armed force's batteries, military units of a size of a company, would be equipped with the NASAMS systems. The country plans to acquire two rocket launchers for one of the batteries, each battery is to receive a fire distribution center and radar.

In May, the Lithuanian Defense Ministry announced the country starts negotiations with the Norwegian government on purchasing the medium-range air defense systems NASAMS.

The system manufactured by Kongsberg is capable of hitting the targets at the range of up to 40 km and at the height of up to 14 km. currently, the country's armed force only has short-range air defense systems.

In recent years, Lithuania has stepped up its defense capabilities. It has purchased Polish made man-portable short-range air defense systems GROM and decided to increase its armed forces' stock of mid-range anti-tank systems by purchasing JAVELIN systems.

The Baltic state also acquired German 155 mm self-propelled howitzers PzH 2000. In August, Lithuania agreed to purchase 88 infantry fighting vehicles (IFV) the Boxer from the German-Dutch manufacturer Artec.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17...th_Norwegian_Air_Defense_Systems#.V-m0aCh96hc

 

[Penguin]

Three different missiles for it: SL-AMRAAM, SL-AMRAAM-ER (ESSM based) and SL-SRAAM (AIM-9X).

The Norwegian Army is developing a self-propelled anti-aircraft system, combining IRIS-T missiles fired from existing NASAMS II-launchers mounted on a lengthened M113 chassis (MTVL).

 

[Fenrir]

The Norwegian Army is developing a self-propelled anti-aircraft system, combining IRIS-T missiles fired from existing NASAMS II-launchers mounted on a lengthened M113 chassis (MTVL).

That's a very old pic and isn't representative of the current development of a NASAMS II mobile launcher. The current design in development features a rail-launcher similar to that found on the High Mobility Launcher variant of NASAMS.

Anyway, chalk up another successful sale. After the US, Poland and now Lithuania.

...

Might have another Kongsberg product Lithuania can make use of?

 

[Penguin]

That's a very old pic and isn't representative of the current development of a NASAMS II mobile launcher. The current design in development features a rail-launcher similar to that found on the High Mobility Launcher variant of NASAMS.

Actually, the Hummer based AIM-120 is very old.

The Missile Research, Development and Engineering Centre (MRDEC) of the US Army Aviation and Missile Command (AMCOM) developed the HUMRAAM (Project 559) medium-range mobile air defence system. The US Marine Corps named the system Complementary Low-Altitude Weapon System (CLAWS).

In trials conducted by the US Marine Corps Systems Command during 1997, the system successfully demonstrated intercept ranges of over 15km. In January 2005, CLAWS successfully completed a series of guided missile flight tests with the destruction of a surrogate cruise missile. The system completed operational testing with the USMC in November 2005 and is ready for fielding and Initial Operating Capability (IOC).

In September 2005, Raytheon was awarded a contract for the fifth and sixth CLAWS production systems. In August 2006, the USMC recommended the termination of the CLAWS programme as part of cuts to spending on air defence capabilities.

A CLAWS unit consists of a fire distribution centre with a fleet of up to eight launchers. The launch assembly is installed on an AM General M1097A2 4x4 HMMWV.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/surface-launched/

DUTCH NASAMS 2 (deal made in 2006)

A complete NASAMS 2 battery consists of 12 missile launchers (LCHR) (each one carrying six AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles), eight radars (AN/MPQ-64 F1 Improved Sentinel X band 3D radar), one fire control centre (CTOC), one electro-optical camera vehicle (MSP500) and one Tactical Control Cell (TCC) vehicle.

The truck based system is the common launcher vehicle.

On DAF 6x6 truck

Finnish NASAMS 2 (on Sisu E13TP)

Spanish NASAMS 2 (on Iveco M250 Heavy Utility Tactical Truck)

Chilean NASAMS 2 (on Dutch DAF 4x4)

Norwegian NASAMS 2 (on Scania 113H truck)

 

[Penguin]

M113F4 Logistic support vehicle, basically an extended F3, but with shorter superstructures (and door on the left side of the wagon) to accommodate container, Arthur module etc. in the rear.

Source https://milforum.net/showthread.php/58079-M-113-Familie-beltegående-pansret-personellkjøretøy/page4

Specifically post 126
https://milforum.net/showthread.php/58079-M-113-Familie-beltegående-pansret-personellkjøretøy/page4?p=1183219&viewfull=1#post1183219

See also post 129
https://milforum.net/showthread.php/58079-M-113-Familie-beltegående-pansret-personellkjøretøy?s=5c86d323dfb1343c7768c1d777aaed20&p=1183410&viewfull=1#post1183410
It talks of IRIS-T on a light vehicle, not AMRAAM

All from http://slideplayer.com/slide/7903734/

Clearly the launcher unit could easily fit an M113F4

 

[flamer84]

Anyway, chalk up another successful sale. After the US, Poland and now Lithuania.

Poland didn't buy the NASAMS.You're probably thinking about the NSM for their coastal batteries.Finland and Spain aquired NASAMS though.

 

[Penguin]

Of course, while a tracked variant would primarily be a (Norwegian) Army system, this does not preclude an (C130 airmobile) HMMVV based light vehicle for the Norwegian Air Force:
http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1988
http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2371
http://defence-blog.com/missiles/soundeluxs-per-hallberg-reprises-oscar-winning-performance.html

Keep in mind though, with four missiles, using the SL-AMRAAM-ER might be difficult, as that missile is a good 130kg heavier (280kg rather than 150kg) which - over 4 missiles - is an extra 520kg (i.e. nearly doubling the weight of missiles with the same launcher and equipment weight). The original M998 A0 series HMMVV had a curb weight of 5,200 lb (2,400 kg). with a payload of 2,500 lb (1,100 kg) while newer 'extended capacity' HMMWVs can carry up to a 6,820 lb (3,090 kg) payload.

M998

M1113 ECV

 

[Fenrir]

Actually, the Hummer based AIM-120 is very old.

Never said the High Mobility Launcher was a recent development, just that a launcher based around the HML is the current working concept for a NASAMS II launcher, not an M113 based version as in the picture you posted. That picture dates back to around 2010, it's no longer representative of current developments.

But thanks. I work for Kongsberg, so I think I'm abreast of the developments.

Poland didn't buy the NASAMS. You're probably thinking about the NSM for their coastal batteries. Finland and Spain acquired NASAMS though.

No, Poland bought NASAMS too. I know Poland operates NSM, because one of the pictures I posted was of a Polish battery - here's a few more:

But Poland bought NASAMS earlier this year - here's Arkadiusz Siwko (PGZ) and Harald Ånnestad (Kongsberg) during the ceremony were Poland bought the system.

Chilean NASAMS 2 (on Dutch DAF 4x4)

Fancy trucks, but before anyone gets the wrong idea, no, it's just a carrier. The launcher must be dismounted prior to firing a missile:

 

[flamer84]

Thanks. But I work for Kongsberg, so I think I'm abreast of the developments.



No, Poland bought NASAMS too. I know Poland operates NSM, because one of the pictures I posted was of a Polish battery - here's a few more:

But Poland bought NASAMS earlier this year - here's Arkadiusz Siwko (PGZ) and Harald Ånnestad (Kongsberg) during the ceremony were Poland bought the system.

Thanks.Any more details ? How many launchers/batteries,at what cost ? Romania is also in the market for medium range SAM's altough word around here gives the IRIS-t adaptation as the winner.

 

[Penguin]

Poland didn't buy the NASAMS.You're probably thinking about the NSM for their coastal batteries.Finland and Spain aquired NASAMS though.

Modernized SA-6? With ESSM? Might also use SL-AMRAAM-ER then (ESSM with AMRAAM seeker): this would eliminate the need for an radar illuminator.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo...s_polish_medium_range_air_defense_system.html

"Raytheon is building upon on the successful ESSM technical demonstration conducted in May 2012 from a National Advanced Surface-to-Air-Missile System (NASAMS) launcher utilizing the HAWK XXI High- Power Illuminator (HPI) radar. "

Never said the High Mobility Launcher was a recent development, just that a launcher based around the HML is the current working concept for a NASAMS II launcher, not an M113 based version as in the picture you posted. That picture dates back to around 2010, it's no longer representative of current developments.

But thanks. I work for Kongsberg, so I think I'm abreast of the developments.

I would think an M113 load carrier based NASAMS has sales potential outside Norway. Maybe Norway opted for another route, but does that mean this variant is not / will not be persued further?

 

[dani958]

what is the range?

 

[Penguin]

what is the range?

Of what?

 

[dani958]

of the system

 

[Fenrir]

Any more details? How many launchers/batteries,at what cost ?

I don't have access to the contract details unfortunately, so I can't give you a cost estimation or a confirmation as to the number of batteries Poland is purchasing. I can only confirm that they are purchasing NASAMS II.

A single battery consists of 12 individual launchers, each with 6 missiles:

And host of command, logistics and auxiliary components such as ammo storage, radars and secure communications to link launchers into a single operating unit:

According to the contract signed with the Netherlands, the total cost of their purchase as 60 Million USD:

The Norwegian firm Kongsberg just announced that it has signed a contract valued at NOK 345 million (about $60 million) with the Netherlands for deliveries to the Dutch Army under the Future Ground Based Air Defence (FGBAD NL) program. These fully mobile systems are based on the AIM-120 AMRAAM, and will protect Dutch forces against aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles.

The Initial Operational Capability (IOC) contract awarded in October 2004 covered 3 TRML-3D mobile surveillance radars, and mobile command and control operation shelters including a radio-based communications system. The components of the system in this round are 2 TRML-3D mobile surveillance radars from EADS, mobile command and control operation centres provided by EADS and Rheinmetall subsidiary Oerlikon-Contraves, a digital radio communication network from Oerlikon and 6 Norwegian NASAMS II systems (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) supplied by Kongsberg. Each system has a number of trucks with missiles, in addition to other elements of the package. To ensure weapon coordination, all components of the FGBAD NL are networked in a wireless LAN communications infrastructure for secure, real-time exchange of information between the radar units and the command vehicle and weapon systems.

I expect the Polish deal to be similar in value, but can't confirm any contract details at this time.

of the system

Of the missiles? The current AIM-120C has a horizontal range of +40km and a vertical range of +15km. The system also accommodates AIM-9X Block II, an ESSM variant and has been certified for an extended range AIM-120D surface launched variant, but the type isn't currently deployed. Their ranges differ from the AIM-120.

AIM-120B is most commonly used internationally and has a horizontal range of +20km.

Of the radar? As far as we need it to see.

I would think an M113 load carrier based NASAMS has sales potential outside Norway. Maybe Norway opted for another route, but does that mean this variant is not / will not be persued further?

Development on an M113 based version was stopped due to a lack of domestic interest, and priority was placed on the HML instead:

To date there hasn't been a great deal of interest in a mobile version of NASAMS due to the batteries architecture which supports static defense, but I suppose if an international buyer is interested, development can be started again. No such development is ongoing at this time, but that doesn't preclude it from being an option if someone wants to explore it.

 

[dani958]

they could buy barak 8 or spyder its beter
what the missle speed and atutide?