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India Close to Signing Deal for Pilatus PC-7 Trainers

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India is swiftly moving towards inking another major deal for training aircraft to teach rookie pilots the intricacies of combat flying before it stitches up the over $10.4 billion (Rs 42,000 crore) project to acquire 126 top-notch fighters.

The Rs 2,900 crore deal for acquiring 75 Swiss Pilatus PC-7 turbo basic trainers is in the final stages now, with the "note" prepared for the Cabinet Committee on Security being "vetted" by the finance ministry at present, say defence ministry sources.

"While the contract for 126 MMRCA ( medium multi-role combat aircraft) is likely to be inked only by January-February, the trainer deal will be signed this year itself," said a source.

Though the Pilatus trainer had emerged the cheapest among other contenders like American Hawker-Beechcraft's T-6C Texan-II and Korean Aerospace's KT-1 after flight trials, it was dogged by some allegations of irregularities in the procurement process. But MoD has dismissed them, holding the negotiations were completed with the Swiss company based on "its absolutely valid commercial offer".

IAF has long felt the need to modernize its trainer fleet, with young pilots grappling with 114 ageing piston-engined HPT-32s and 137 Kiran-I & II aircraft to learn the inherently-dangerous art of combat flying in supersonic jets. Almost 40% of the over 1,000 crashes recorded in IAF since 1970 have been attributed to "human error (air crew)".

The need for new aircraft is especially urgent since the HPT-32s, which for long served as the basic trainers for its rookie pilots, have been grounded since August 2009 after one of the aircraft crashed due to engine failure.

IAF, of course, is also progressively inducting British Hawk AJTs (advanced jet trainers), 123 of which were ordered in two contracts inked in March 2004 and July 2010 for a total of around Rs 16,000 crore, but they are meant for advanced combat training.

The Pilatus trainers will replace the HPT-32s to provide initial training to rookie pilots. The eventual requirement for the basic trainers could well touch 200, with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) making a bulk of them. The defence PSU is also developing the HJT-36 Sitara to replace the Kirans for intermediate-level training.
 
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These are pretty basic jets. India should be able to produce these itself.
 
i think NAL-Mahindra can manufacture a cheaper basic trainer..
 
i thought we already placed a order for 75 of these planes
 
i thought we already placed a order for 75 of these planes

The plane won the competion and moved onto FM/CCS clearance. Final approval will come soon AND THEN orders will be placed by end of this year.
 
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These are pretty basic jets. India should be able to produce these itself.

These arent jets. But yea, I don't understand why India hasn't been able to produce something like this, when it has produced a 4+ gen fighter.
 
IAF hoping to ink Rs1850-crore deal for trainers

The Indian Air Force (IAF) today said it was expecting to sign a Rs1850-crore deal with Swiss firm Pilatus to procure basic trainer aircraft for its rookie pilots by the end of this month.

“Pilatus-7 aircraft is in the final stages of procurement and the case is with the Finance Ministry. I think by the end of this month, the contract for this trainer aircraft would be signed,” IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne said at the annual Air Force Day press conference here.

Observing that pilot training has been an area of concern for the IAF, he said, “In the last few months, this has been the area of main focus for us. If we sign the contract by the end of this month, the Pilatus basic trainer would join the IAF by July 2013.”

Replying to a query on such training in absence of basic trainers, Browne said, “We have introduced changes in the syllabus. By 2013-14, when we would get the additional Hawks and the Pilatus as well, we would be able to fulfil all the key requirements for training of our pilots.”

He said the gap in the basic flying training of pilots occurred because of the grounding of HPT-32 aircraft in 2009.

“HPT-32 aircraft joined the IAF as basic trainer in 1988. But these were grounded in 2009 after a series of engine problems. So far, we have noticed at least 108 problems in the engine of this aircraft,” he said.

A series of accidents involving HPT-32 further dented the confidence of young pilots affecting their training, Browne said.

“We had 23 pilot fatalities. So there came a time in 2009, when the required confidence level of our pilots was lost,” he said.
 
These arent jets. But yea, I don't understand why India hasn't been able to produce something like this, when it has produced a 4+ gen fighter.

Basic deal is with the engine. We have not been able to manufacture a single aircraft engine till date. HPT uses Lycoming engines and Kirans use Orpheus. Lycoming engines have proved to be pretty useless and that is the reason for HPT's grounding. With engine tech moving at a abnormally slow pace with Kaveri being a bombed, GoI and IAF has decided to go in for western props so that the training does not suffer.
 
Why IAF is ordering Pilatus-7 aircraft when Pilatus PC-21 is more advanced!!!!!!!!!!?????????

This has been discussed before- it is a question of need of IAF. the IAF needs a BASIC trainer which the PC-7 is to replace the DEEPAK, whilst the PC-21 is a turboprop AJT for which IAF has the more advanced jet powered HAWK AJT. If IAF needed an AJT the PC-21 maybe an option but as all it needs is a ane to teach basic flying skills the PC-7 is all it needs.
 
This has been discussed before- it is a question of need of IAF. the IAF needs a BASIC trainer which the PC-7 is to replace the DEEPAK, whilst the PC-21 is a turboprop AJT for which IAF has the more advanced jet powered HAWK AJT. If IAF needed an AJT the PC-21 maybe an option but as all it needs is a ane to teach basic flying skills the PC-7 is all it needs.

Indeed.....PC-21 really is an AJT.....


Specifications (PC-7 Turbo Trainer)
General characteristics:
Crew: Two, student and instructor
Length: 9.78 m (32 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 10.40 m (34 ft 1 in)
Height: 3.21 m (10 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 16.60 m² (179.0 ft²)
Empty weight: 1,330 kg (2,932 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,700 kg (5,952 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-25A turboprop, 410 kW (550 shp) [17]

Performance:
Never exceed speed: 500 km/h (270 knots, 310 mph)
Maximum speed: 412 km/h (222 knots, 256 mph) (max cruise at 6,100 m (20,000 ft))
Stall speed: 119 km/h (64 knots, 74 mph) flaps and gear down, power off
Range: 2,630 km (1,420 nmi, 1,634 mi) (cruise power, at 5,000 m (16,400 ft) - 20 min reserves)
Service ceiling: 10,060 m (33,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 10.9 m/s (2,150 ft/min)
Wing loading: 114.5 kg/m² (23.44 lb/ft²)

Armament:
Hardpoints: 6 × hardpoints for bombs and rockets with a capacity of 1,040 kg (2,294 lb)

Specifications (PC-21)

General characteristics:
Crew: Two (student & instructor)
Length: 11.233 m (36 ft 11 in)
Wingspan: 9.108 m (29 ft 11 in)
Height: 3.749 m (12 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 15.221 m² (163.848 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,270 kg (5,005 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 3,100 kg (aerobatic) / 4,250 kg (utility) (6,834 lb (aerobatic) / 9,370 lb (utility))
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68B Turboprop engine, 1,200 kW (1,600 shp)

Performance:
Maximum speed: 685 km/h (370 knots, 428 mph)
Stall speed: 170 km/h (92 knots, 106.25 mph) gear and flaps up (20 km/h less with flaps and gear down)
Range: 1,333 km (720 nm, 828 miles)
Service ceiling: 11,580 m (38,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,219 m/min (4,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 208 kg/m² (42.7 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.39 kW/kg (0.23 hp/lb)

Armament:
Hardpoints: Provisions provided for 4× under-wing and 1× centerline external store stations, capable of mounting up to 1,150 kg (2,500 lb) of payload of air-to-ground weapons to operate in the Counter-insurgency role.
 
Pilatus PC-21 basic trainer on offer to the Indian Air Force. @ DBX11 show

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Expect tomorrow: Indian apex Cabinet Committee on Security likely to approve deal with Pilatus for 75 PC-7 Mk.2 basic propeller trainers.
 

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