IAF Officers Visit PAC Stall at Dubai Airshow to Inquire if They can Still Kill Trees and Crows to Claim Victory

[Gripen9]

I thought the same. but look at the stripes on their shoulders in latter pictures, they are of Sqn Ldr or Wg Cdr ig

You are right!
The nokia phone guy is def. an officer Sqn/Leader.

 

[KaiserX]

There are few things going IAF way

a) Rafale Units (30+)
b) Continuous Improvements of Teja platform , with outside assistance (Engine / Technical Guidance)
c) The existing Head count of 2 Seat / Engine Russian Air Supremacy fleet which always been kept at bay

• 200-300 Units +

These adjustments have already been place before we even flew our first JF17 Block III so I can imagine why they are feeling a bit more confident (Anticipation in most circles was that by 2020 we would have at least a squadron flying for Block III)


The recent addition of Air Defense SAM systems by Pakistan , sets up a strong defensive posture

However the technical gap that is widening with PAF having Mirages, needs to be addressed

I am afraid to say I dont have much confidence in the current PAF strategy. 40 J10CE and 100 JF17 B3s are limited deterents against the IAF pursuing 12 Su30, 22 Mig29, 36 Rafale, 73 Tejas. All expected to be inducted in the next few years on top of the pending MRCA contract for 114 new fighters and likely order for 36 more Rafales.


PAF in my opinion should do the following:

1) Increase the J10 orders to a minimum of 70.
2) Increase JF17B3 orders to minimum 130. Upgrade all older B1/B2 models to B3 on an urgent basis.
3) Look into the urgent induction of 40 J31/35s by 2025. If this cannot be done then an order for 36 J16s as an emergency stopgap
4) Increase in HQ16/HQ9Ps from China
5) Order 4 new AWACs/Jamming EW aircrafts each

All these items appear to be in motion other than #3. PAF needs to double down on its modernization efforts significantly. Reason being come 2024 Indian general elections Modi will turn up the heat significantly along the border and may conduct false flag operations for a new round. Also be sure that the IAF has studied 2019 in details and will know their strenghs/weaknesses better next time.

The PAF must be proactive in countering this.

 

[DapoumeGriffin]

I am afraid to say I dont have much confidence in the current PAF strategy. 40 J10CE and 100 JF17 B3s are limited deterents against the IAF pursuing 12 Su30, 22 Mig29, 36 Rafale, 73 Tejas. All expected to be inducted in the next few years on top of the pending MRCA contract for 114 new fighters and likely order for 36 more Rafales.


PAF in my opinion should do the following:

1) Increase the J10 orders to a minimum of 70.
2) Increase JF17B3 orders to minimum 130. Upgrade all older B1/B2 models to B3 on an urgent basis.
3) Look into the urgent induction of 40 J31/35s by 2025. If this cannot be done then an order for 36 J16s as an emergency stopgap
4) Increase in HQ16/HQ9Ps from China
5) Order 4 new AWACs/Jamming EW aircrafts each

All these items appear to be in motion other than #3. PAF needs to double down on its modernization efforts significantly. Reason being come 2024 Indian general elections Modi will turn up the heat significantly along the border and may conduct false flag operations for a new round. Also be sure that the IAF has studied 2019 in details and will know their strenghs/weaknesses better next time.

The PAF must be proactive in countering this.

I think that PAF's pocket won't allow it to increase the induction numbers. There is a big budget gap we can't equalize IAF numerically. In other case, IAF will surely play the balance of power card

 

[KaiserX]

I think that PAF's pocket won't allow it to increase the induction numbers. There is a big budget gap we can't equalize IAF numerically. In other case, IAF will surely play the balance of power card

ordering additional J10s and Jf17s make the most sense budget wise. Even short term orders are paid for over 10-15 years.

Also one can look at it this way... More JF17 orders = More $$$ for investment in AZM, Capacity to expansion of JF17 production facilities, etc... taking into consideration foreign orders for JF17s it would pretty much pay for itself since 50% of the JF17 program profits are reinvested within Pakistan itself.

PAF will have to spend atleast 12 BN usd/10 years= 1.2 BN a year

- 5 BN PAF can reasonably expect to spend on JF17s/Raads/Indiginous weapons which would go back into Pakistans economy/aeronautical industry. So 7-8 BN could be spent easily on China jets if great interest rates/terms of payments are given. PAF should also look into offsetting some of the project cost (30-50%) ie China could potentially invest in space/hypersonic missile/AZM programs.

If PAF is prudent, does its research, gets great terms from China then from 12 BN more than half would literally go back in PAC/other advanced industries in Pakistan. We must pivot large potential investments into capacity/technology investment for the domestic industry.

China pursued the exact same strategy with the Soviets throughout the 50's-60's to build up its initial defence industry.

For Project AZM alone we know that PAC needs the following:
1) Wind tunnel test sites for large scale mockups
2) Hypersonic wind tunnel test site
3) Facilities to manufacter AESA radars, composite matierials, etc...

All these require research and investment. China could easily help with ToT as well as offsetting a lot of the cost via a large J10/J31 order.

 

[Amaa'n]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1462313326382399491

that's not good
pics were taken from this forum and @Trailer23 deserved credit. We didn't take the pic just off the random account and posted.

 

[Trailer23]

Anyone visit AceofPAF's facebook page today?

@HRK @The Eagle @Foxtrot Alpha

 

[Goritoes]

I think they want to know recipe for the Chai.

 

[Falcon26]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1462313326382399491

Probably inquiring about how they can get shot down by PAF like Abhinandan so they too win the Vir Chakra

 

[Areesh]

Probably inquiring about how they can get shot down by PAF like Abhinandan so they too win the Vir Chakra

Well Abhinandan has surely become an inspiration for whole IAF after winning Vir Chakra for nothing

 

[Amaa'n]

Anyone visit AceofPAF's facebook page today?

@HRK @The Eagle @Foxtrot Alpha

Video is yours? we can issue a statement to this.....

 

[Trailer23]

Video is yours? we can issue a statement to this.....

AceofPAF is one of my sponsors and a good friend/brother.

I am not taking credit for it.

I just wanted everyone to see it.

 

[HRK]

Anyone visit AceofPAF's facebook page today?

@HRK @The Eagle @Foxtrot Alpha

NO

Anyone visit AceofPAF's facebook page today?

@HRK @The Eagle @Foxtrot Alpha

OK just visited it share your video ...

 

[Abid123]

ordering additional J10s and Jf17s make the most sense budget wise. Even short term orders are paid for over 10-15 years.

Also one can look at it this way... More JF17 orders = More $$$ for investment in AZM, Capacity to expansion of JF17 production facilities, etc... taking into consideration foreign orders for JF17s it would pretty much pay for itself since 50% of the JF17 program profits are reinvested within Pakistan itself.

PAF will have to spend atleast 12 BN usd/10 years= 1.2 BN a year

- 5 BN PAF can reasonably expect to spend on JF17s/Raads/Indiginous weapons which would go back into Pakistans economy/aeronautical industry. So 7-8 BN could be spent easily on China jets if great interest rates/terms of payments are given. PAF should also look into offsetting some of the project cost (30-50%) ie China could potentially invest in space/hypersonic missile/AZM programs.

If PAF is prudent, does its research, gets great terms from China then from 12 BN more than half would literally go back in PAC/other advanced industries in Pakistan. We must pivot large potential investments into capacity/technology investment for the domestic industry.

China pursued the exact same strategy with the Soviets throughout the 50's-60's to build up its initial defence industry.

For Project AZM alone we know that PAC needs the following:
1) Wind tunnel test sites for large scale mockups
2) Hypersonic wind tunnel test site
3) Facilities to manufacter AESA radars, composite matierials, etc...

All these require research and investment. China could easily help with ToT as well as offsetting a lot of the cost via a large J10/J31 order.

PAF could spend far more when Pakistani's start paying tax. Pakistan has a labour force of 60 million. Less than 1 % of them probably pay tax...

 

[ghazi52]

Indian govt. has made very easy for the IAF pilots to achieve heroism and medal, just visit the Pakistan Air space have a cup of tea at Military base and walk on foot to India..