Britain's Rolls-Royce LiftSystem ready for F-35B world-wide deployment.

[mike2000 is back]

F-35B with Rolls-Royce LiftSystem ready for world-wide deployment
The US Marine Corps has issued a statement confirming that Marine Fighter Attack 121 (VMFA-121), the ‘Green Knights’ is the first squadron to become operational with the F-35B variant of the Lightning II.

“I am pleased to announce that VMFA-121 has achieved Initial Operational Capability in the F-35B,” said Gen. Joseph Dunford, Commandant of the Marine Corps.

“VMFA-121 has ten aircraft in the Block 2B configuration with the requisite performance envelope and weapons clearances, to include the training, sustainment capabilities, and infrastructure to deploy to an austere site or a ship. It is capable of conducting Close Air Support, Offensive and Defensive Counter Air, Air Interdiction, Assault Support Escort and Armed Reconnaissance as part of a Marine Air Ground Task Force, or in support of the Joint Force,” he added.

F-35B versions of the Lightning II aircraft, features Rolls-Royce LiftSystem

F-35Bs are the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) versions of the Lightning II aircraft, featuring the Rolls-Royce LiftSystem. This consists of a 50-inch diameter, two-stage counter-rotating LiftFan, capable of generating more than 20,000 lbf of thrust. It is driven from a conventional gas turbine and produces the forward vertical lift. A 3BSM is a swiveling jet pipe capable of redirecting the main engine thrust downward to provide the rear vertical lift. The jet pipe can rotate through 95 degrees in 2.5 seconds and passes 18,000 lbf of thrust. Aircraft roll control is achieved using the Roll Posts mounted in the wings of the aircraft, which provide a further 1,950 lbf of thrust each.

Rolls-Royce has more experience of STOVL technology than any other engine maker in the world and of course the F-35B is the replacement aircraft for the US Marine Corps’ AV-8B Harriers which used the Rolls-Royce Pegasus engine to provide STOVL capability.


F-35B with Rolls-Royce LiftSystem ready for world-wide deployment – Rolls-Royce

@Blue Marlin ,@Steve781 ,@Abingdonboy ,@Penguin, @Hamartia Antidote,@FrenchPilot , @Taygibay et al.

I Wish European powers like France, Britain and Germany could pool their resources together to build a stealth fighter jet like the F-35. Since we all have the tech to match any U.S equipment, just need the resources/capital and political will to do so.

 

[Vergennes]

F-35B with Rolls-Royce LiftSystem ready for world-wide deployment
The US Marine Corps has issued a statement confirming that Marine Fighter Attack 121 (VMFA-121), the ‘Green Knights’ is the first squadron to become operational with the F-35B variant of the Lightning II.

“I am pleased to announce that VMFA-121 has achieved Initial Operational Capability in the F-35B,” said Gen. Joseph Dunford, Commandant of the Marine Corps.

“VMFA-121 has ten aircraft in the Block 2B configuration with the requisite performance envelope and weapons clearances, to include the training, sustainment capabilities, and infrastructure to deploy to an austere site or a ship. It is capable of conducting Close Air Support, Offensive and Defensive Counter Air, Air Interdiction, Assault Support Escort and Armed Reconnaissance as part of a Marine Air Ground Task Force, or in support of the Joint Force,” he added.

F-35B versions of the Lightning II aircraft, features Rolls-Royce LiftSystem

F-35Bs are the short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) versions of the Lightning II aircraft, featuring the Rolls-Royce LiftSystem. This consists of a 50-inch diameter, two-stage counter-rotating LiftFan, capable of generating more than 20,000 lbf of thrust. It is driven from a conventional gas turbine and produces the forward vertical lift. A 3BSM is a swiveling jet pipe capable of redirecting the main engine thrust downward to provide the rear vertical lift. The jet pipe can rotate through 95 degrees in 2.5 seconds and passes 18,000 lbf of thrust. Aircraft roll control is achieved using the Roll Posts mounted in the wings of the aircraft, which provide a further 1,950 lbf of thrust each.

Rolls-Royce has more experience of STOVL technology than any other engine maker in the world and of course the F-35B is the replacement aircraft for the US Marine Corps’ AV-8B Harriers which used the Rolls-Royce Pegasus engine to provide STOVL capability.


F-35B with Rolls-Royce LiftSystem ready for world-wide deployment – Rolls-Royce

@Blue Marlin ,@Steve781 ,@Abingdonboy ,@Penguin, @Hamartia Antidote,@FrenchPilot , @Taygibay et al.

Wish European power France, Britain and Germany could pool their resources together to build a stealth fighter jet like the F-35. Since we all have the tech to match any U.S equipment, just need the resources/capital and political will to do so.

I agree. If only some European nations prefered to work together and develop one instead of buying an expensive American one. (And also working on it....)

But the future are UCAVs aren't they ?

SDSR 2015 :

"We will work with France to develop our Unmanned Combat Air System programme, and collaborate on complex weapons."

 

[Blue Marlin]

thanks for the tag @mike2000 is back im not a fan of the f35-b i would have prefered if we got the f35-c did you know the f35b lift fan system is the same as the yak141

 

[Taygibay]

Well, two precisions only, Mikey mate!

First, in the know folks understand this IOC to be advertising BS.
The Block 3F slated for induction in 2017 is the minimum required
for effective war operations.

…. just need the resources/capital and political will to do so.

Second, as you said, political will ( an oxymoron IMHoO ) is just not there for
a new fighter, stealth or not, to come out of Europe. The FCAS is the best bet
for that to happen and mostly because it's a project between only two parties,
old chums with a record in co-developing weapons at that.
Trying to federate more folks ( most of which don't have the need in the first place )
is likely to send us back to 1985 and the split between projects that became the
Typhoon and Rafale.

I agree to the worth of your romantic vision but pragmatically, find it unrealistic.
Sorry, Tay.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I agree. If only some European nations prefered to work together and develop one instead of buying an expensive American one. (And also working on it....)

But the future are UCAVs aren't they ?

SDSR 2015 :

"We will work with France to develop our Unmanned Combat Air System programme, and collaborate on complex weapons."

Yes under the terms of an Anglo-French development contract announced in 2014, parts from the Taranis will be combined with the Dassault nEUROn in a joint European UCAV

 

[mike2000 is back]

I agree. If only some European nations prefered to work together and develop one instead of buying an expensive American one. (And also working on it....)

LOOL I saw what you just did there mon pote.

Well, we had no choice, since i don't think there was any political will from France to build a joint stealth fighter with Britain and Germany. Just look at the Euro-fighter consortium, which due to political in fights and ego made France to leave the consortium since the main issue was French insistence that the aircraft be powered by the SNECMA M88, in development at the same time as Rolls Royce more proven XG-40(which is the main core of the EJ-200 engine we now have on the Typhoon today).

In short, the areas where Britain has a technological lead over France, then we should obviously go with our product in that field when working together, and vice versa. That way we will come out with the best product which any country in the world will find it hard to match(even the U.S).

So you can't blame just Britain since France is also to blame.

But hey, at least we are cooperating together with our new STEALTH UCAV , which i'm sure will be at par if not better than the U.S X-35B.
THAT'S A GOOD START, but i believe we need to do more together.

 

[Taygibay]

since the main issue was French insistence that the aircraft be powered by the SNECMA M88, in development at the same time as Rolls Royce more proven XG-40(which is the main core of the EJ-200 engine we now have on the typhoon today).

Err, that is not factual, Mikey! The main disagreements were on weight of the platform and naval version.
You are right that France glumly expected total leadership in both engines and aircraft design which was
admittedly a whole lot to ask but it never got there on account of what I just outlined.

So since ( as you said ) the main issues were out of sight for your German and Italian buddies, as well
as for later participant Spain, as none of them had carrier intentions [ & Britannia had the marvelous Harrier ]
nor did they agree to a smaller plane, we left.

And honestly, considering how well the Rafale program went ( save for financially motivated hiatus circa '90s )
and seeing how you guys are about alone in making the EF progress to what it can be, I'm glad we went solo!

Sorry, Tay.

 

[Jai Bharat]

I don't know why F-35B is being picked up by UK, seems like the F-35C has better payload, internal fuel capacity, and therefore better range. F-35C seems like a much better overall carrier aircraft fit for the new UK Carriers. F-35B was made for special missions with American LHDs.

Vertical landing looks cool, but is it really worth such compromises?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Err, that is not factual, Mikey! The main disagreements were on weight of the platform and naval version.
You are right that France glumly expected total leadership in both engines and aircraft design which was
admittedly a whole lot to ask but it never got there on account of what I just outlined.

So since ( as you said ) the main issues were out of sight for your German and Italian buddies, as well
as for later participant Spain, as none of them had carrier intentions [ & Britannia had the marvelous Harrier ]
nor did they agree to a smaller plane, we left.

And honestly, considering how well the Rafale program went ( save for financially motivated hiatus circa '90s )
and seeing how you guys are about alone in making the EF progress to what it can be, I'm glad we went solo!

Sorry, Tay.

we should have gone solo too. also during develoipment of the eft and when france was in the consortium, france insisted the jet be air to ground specific, jet whislt the rest of the consortuim wanted an air superiority jet. this was one of the main reasons for france leaving. during that time money was not a problem. after the cold-war then defence budgets were slashed then thats when order numbers were cut. and germany wanted to cut the number of planes yet have the same stake which we didnt like, and then it all graged on from there.
now i guess you want to want to join us in cooperation of the ucav. tbh i prefer going solo. spliting the cost with other countries may be cost effective but it comes with risks, similar to that of when the typhoon was in development. im sure we are not that niaeve to let too much of the development go abroad.

after further looking into the joint cooperation i found this:
BAE and Dassault are eight months into a two-year government-funded study on the feasibility of a joint Future Combat Air System, or FCAS. The initial stage has been deliberately limited to the UK and France, for fear that more partner countries will add complexity and just push up costs, as happened with the seven-nation A400M military transport aircraft built by Airbus.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9209910-33b5-11e5-bdbb-35e55cbae175.html

 

[Taygibay]

^^^ Disagreed to your bit about AtG specific ( both programs were meant to culminate as omnirole )
but agreed to your solo thing for the UK, Blue …
although as we come back to FCAS today, one cannot help but remember cooperation works pretty well …
Good neighbours: Our Top 10 Anglo-French aviation projects
at least for us cross-Channel cousins.

And the above only lists airplanes forgetting Gazelles, Pums and Lynx etc.

But seeing you blokes trying to entice Deutschland and the other two to better the Typhoon makes your point.

Good day gang, Tay.

 

[Blue Marlin]

^^^ Disagreed to your bit about AtG specific ( both programs were meant to culminate as omnirole )
but agreed to your solo thing for the UK, Blue …
although as we come back to FCAS today, one cannot help remember cooperation works pretty well …
Good neighbours: Our Top 10 Anglo-French aviation projects
at least for us cross-Channel cousins.

And the above only lists airplanes forgetting Gazelles, Pums and Lynx etc.

But seeing you blokes trying to entice Deutschland and the other two to better the Typhoon makes your point.

Good day gang, Tay.

well true that we do developgood stuff when we work togher but when others come in and want a large slice then thats when things get complicated.(take a guess which country im refering to?) the a400m is a perfert example of this to many people want to benfit them selfs but they are not realising that it is ruining the project the eft was similar. in regards to france wanted the typhoon to be more ag specific. i should have rephrased that to france wanting the typhoon to have more ag features. thats why the rafale is better in ag missions as compared to the typhoon.

 

[Taygibay]

Funny thing is, those peeps you cryptically referred to make darn good stuff also which
is part of their reasons for bigger industrial return but at the same time, they never use
those weapons in real wars contrarily to you and us.
Oh' well! They do get the Cup for Best Mil Material Not Proven By Its Original Maker, I guess!

Tay.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Funny thing is, those peeps you cryptically referred to make darn good stuff also which
is part of their reasons for bigger industrial return but at the same time, they never use
those weapons in real wars contrarily to you and us.
Oh' well! They do get the Cup for best mil material not proven by its original maker, I guess!

Tay.

ahahahahahahah..........
i wont name any country. i will just tag my friend @Bundeswehr .

 

[Taygibay]

OMG! ^^^

- Mutti! * Mikey's trying to start a fight!

 

[mike2000 is back]

thanks for the tag @mike2000 is back im not a fan of the f35-b i would have prefered if we got the f35-c did you know the f35b lift fan system is the same as the yak141

I never knew that. Got any link to back that up bro?