Armata’s next supreme 152mm gun to sport super-piercing shell that can penetrate a "metre of armour"

[Khalid Newazi]

Russia’s new T-14 Armata tank is going to get an even more powerful armament, as the next version of the main battle tank will be armed with previously rumored 152mm gun, revealed the official in charge of the defense industry.

Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin told Izvestia newspaper that next-stage Armata tanks will be supplied with already-developed big bore cannon and brand new projectiles.

“We’ve got a new projectile for this tank than can burn through a meter of steel, we would arm Armata with that one,” Rogozin said.

When the Armata (T-14) tank gets this 152mm gun, it will be the most powerful cannon to be mounted on a main battle tank of any country ever.

The unmanned remote-controlled turrets of T-14 tanks that rolled on the Red Square in Moscow on Victory Day, May 9, were armed with a brand new 125mm 2A82-1M smoothbore cannon with improved accuracy and angular dispersion.

This cannon’s muzzle energy is reportedly greater than the world’s previously considered best tank cannon: the German Leopard-2 Rheinmetall 120mm gun.

Speaking at the meeting dedicated to development of the Russia’s armed forces, President Vladimir Putin ordered that test operations of the recently-paraded new military hardware and the attainment of industrial-level production be completed “in the shortest time possible.”

In March, when even the appearance of Armata tank remained a mystery, PM Rogozin said that this classified development of Russian engineers “is a true breakthrough in tank construction.”

“No European country or the US has anything similar. This is a combat vehicle of the 21st century,”Rogozin said.

'Meter of armor': Armata’s next supreme 152mm gun to sport super-piercing shell — RT News

 

[C130]

152mm cannon 1m penetration and this is suppose to be revolutionary?

pretty sure the current tank gun and ammunition the russians,chinese, and the west use can kill any tank in the world.

120mm nato with M829A3 would shred Armata as well as the new M829A4

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

Wooooow

152mm cannon 1m penetration and this is suppose to be revolutionary?

pretty sure the current tank gun and ammunition the russians,chinese, and the west use can kill any tank in the world.

120mm nato with M829A3 would shred Armata as well as the new M829A4

Dude 152mm vs 120mm ... Which is powerful ? Its very simple not rocket science. I guess it will also have more range than anything else

 

[kollang]

Wooooooooow

I guess next generation of T-14 will be "the promised" one.

 

[Penguin]

“We’ve got a new projectile for this tank than can burn through a meter of steel"

I'm assuming he's referring with steel to Rolled Homogeneous Armor (RHA)
There's a difference between RHA and RHAe (notice the e, which stands for equivalence).

RHAe = Rolled Homogeneous Armor Equivalent; an equivalent RHA thickness of a given armor type against a given armor piercing ammunition or missile (i.e. Kinetic Energy penetrators, like APFSDS DU long-rod penetrators or Chemical Energy projectiles, like HEAT ammunition and ATGM's). Modern composite (Chobham) armor may be several times more efficient against Chemical Energy than RHA of the same thickness.

Pretty much every MBT in the world has over 1000 mm of RHAe 'protection' over it's frontal arc (usually the frontal turret).

But that doesn't tell you anything, 1 m of RHAe against what? Usually, MBTs' protection figures are stated in RHAe against KE or CE (Kinetic Energy or Chemical Energy, i.e. APFSDS rounds and HEAT rounds). There's a precaution against using RHAe however, as some rounds have special properties against x and some defensive mechanisms have protective qualities against y, but in general, RHAe is an okay measure. Anyway, 1 m of RHAe penetration is not rare anymore, especially when talking about CE weapons.

Many helicopter fired ATGMs have penetration figures above 1 m of RHAe, several crew operated ATGMs also have such figures, and as far as I know, at least 1 man-operated RPG has over 1 m of RHAe penetration (the RPG-28).

1 m of RHAe penetration for KE rounds however, is more rare, and as far as I know, only a 140 mm caliber APFSDS experimental round fired from a Swiss experimental Leopard 2 testbed achieved over 1m of RHAe penetration. Of course, simply scaling things up would yield over 1 m of RHAe penetration so it's not really much of a "milestone".

Leo 2 KWS III consisted of the adoption of a 140mm main gun.

Tank guns production "Rheinmetall" 120mm with a barrel 44 and 55 gauge and 140-mm gun NPz K-140

Swiss Leopard 2 (Pz87) with 140mm gun

M1 Abrams with Experimental XM291 140mm Smoothbore

 

[Oldman1]

 

[Superboy]

Penetration or not, no crew can survive blunt shock trauma from a 152 mm hit. No way. All the vital organs would be shattered.

 

[Dr.Thrax]

Penetration or not, no crew can survive blunt shock trauma from a 152 mm hit. No way. All the vital organs would be shattered.

There's this thing called a spall liner that prevents that from happening. Every modern tank has it.

 

[SipahSalar]

152mm gun is nothing new. ISU-152 from WW2 had a 152mm gun, it's not the caliber that matters but the velocity and type of shell.

 

[Dr.Thrax]

152mm gun is nothing new. ISU-152 from WW2 had a 152mm gun, it's not the caliber that matters but the velocity and type of shell.

True, but modern 152mm guns that have high velocity rounds will be deadly. Could be used as specialized tank destroyer regiments (as well as the NATO 140mm equivalent), while the 125mm and 120mm could be used for general purpose, as tanks are getting more and more armor nowadays

 

[ptldM3]

There's this thing called a spall liner that prevents that from happening. Every modern tank has it.

There is a thing called overpressure and limits. A bullet proof vest works on the same principle as a spall liner, but is rated to a certain caliber, meaning that anything past a certain caliber will penetrate kevlar.

152mm cannon 1m penetration and this is suppose to be revolutionary?

pretty sure the current tank gun and ammunition the russians,chinese, and the west use can kill any tank in the world.

120mm nato with M829A3 would shred Armata as well as the new M829A4

He does not say if the 1m gun is the 125mm or future 152mm variant but i would guess he means 152mm version. And yes 1m penetration is pretty revolutionary, 1m equals over 39 inches, most modern tanks have penetration values anywhere from 21-35 inches, the 35 inch values are often regarded as rumors with no proof.

And no not all tanks can be "shred" at least not the glacis in a lot of tanks.

 

[Dr.Thrax]

There is a thing called overpressure and limits. A bullet proof vest works on the same principle as a spall liner, but is rated to a certain caliber, meaning that anything past a certain caliber will penetrate kevlar.





He does not say if the 1m gun is the 125mm or future 152mm variant but i would guess he means 152mm version. And yes 1m penetration is pretty revolutionary, 1m equals over 39 inches, most modern tanks have penetration values anywhere from 21-35 inches, the 35 inch values are often regarded as rumors with no proof.

And no not all tanks can be "shred" at least not the glacis in a lot of tanks.

Still, spall liner will prevent it from happening. Once 152mm cannons mounted, expect armor protection to be upped as well as the spall liner's effectiveness. With every action there is an opposite reaction.

 

[ptldM3]

Still, spall liner will prevent it from happening. Once 152mm cannons mounted, expect armor protection to be upped as well as the spall liner's effectiveness. With every action there is an opposite reaction.

Read my previous post about limits. A spall liner has its limits, just like everything. A kevlar vest may withstand a 9mm but a 50 bmp will go threw multiple layers of Kevlar. As for your last part, yes for every action there is a reaction, the T-14 was a reaction to other tanks, it went several steps further by placing the crew in a sealed compartment and then deciding to up the caliber to 152mm in the future. Don't expect any new western tanks anytime soon, Merkava, Challenger 2 Leclerk, K-2, Leapard 2 A6 and Type 10 are all fairly new tanks, the Abrams is old but upgraded to M1A2 standards and there is no plans for a new replacement anytime soon, the problem with most western tanks is that they are growing heavier and heavier for the sake of better protection, with that they kill mobility, fuel efficiency.

 

[Penguin]

Read my previous post about limits. A spall liner has its limits, just like everything. A kevlar vest may withstand a 9mm but a 50 bmp will go threw multiple layers of Kevlar. As for your last part, yes for every action there is a reaction, the T-14 was a reaction to other tanks, it went several steps further by placing the crew in a sealed compartment and then deciding to up the caliber to 152mm in the future. Don't expect any new western tanks anytime soon, Merkava, Challenger 2 Leclerk, K-2, Leapard 2 A6 and Type 10 are all fairly new tanks, the Abrams is old but upgraded to M1A2 standards and there is no plans for a new replacement anytime soon, the problem with most western tanks is that they are growing heavier and heavier for the sake of better protection, with that they kill mobility, fuel efficiency.

And then they get a better engine e.g. see Leo 2 Original powerpack:
MTU MB 873 Ka-501 liquid-cooled V-12 Twin-turbo diesel engine
1,500 PS (1,479 hp, 1,103 kW) at 2,600 rpm

MTU is already offering 3rd gen 880 and 4th gen 890 series for some years, which are both more compact and have better fuel efficiency, for the same power output. The Europowerpack in which they are employed is the most compact, modern rear drive PowerPack in its power class for modern MBT
Heavy Vehicles (Series 870, 880): MTU Online

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[Beast]

152mm gun is nothing new. ISU-152 from WW2 had a 152mm gun, it's not the caliber that matters but the velocity and type of shell.

Finally someone talking sense.