Indian cinema owners refuse to screen films with Pakistani actors

Hindustani78 · Oct 14, 2016

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...t-thinking-to-revoke-visas/article9219882.ece
Updated: October 14, 2016 16:42 IST
"There is no movement to revoke visas of Pakistani artists as of now. We don’t go for knee-jerk reactions," a senior Home Ministry told “The Hindu”.
Amid the clamour to ban Pakistani artists in India, the Union Home Ministry clarified on Friday that as of now there was no thinking to revoke the visas given to them.

“There is no movement to revoke visas of Pakistani artists as of now. We don’t go for knee-jerk reactions,” a senior Home Ministry told The Hindu.

A Hindi movie Ae Dil Hai Mushkil featuring Pakistani actor Fawad Khan is due for release this month. Many Indian actors and politicians have opposed the working of Pakistani artists in India.

Visas to Pakistani citizens are processed only after security clearance is granted by the Home Ministry.

An official explained that for an Indian visa to be revoked, the applicant has to have committed a crime in Indian territory or considered to be a threat to the country.

Some important points on this issue .

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...vies-with-pakistani-actors/article9219748.ece

Cinema Owners and Exhibitors Association of India decision casts doubt on release of Karan Johar's "Ae Dil Hai Mushkil" featuring Pakistan actor Fawad Khan.
A cinema owners’ body on Friday refused to screen movies starring Pakistani artistes in the Maharashtra, Gujarat, Karnataka and Goa, dealing a blow to Karan Johar’s upcoming Diwali blockbuster Ae Dil Hai Mushkil that features Fawad Khan.

The decision taken by the Cinema Owners and Exhibitors Association of India (COEAI) at its meeting in Mumbai mainly covers single screen theatres and comes amid tension between India and Pakistan in the aftermath of the Uri terror attack.

Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, Ranbir Kapoor and Anushka Sharma play lead roles in the film.

“The COEAI has decided that keeping in mind the patriotic feelings and the national interest of our country all our members and exhibitors will refrain from screening movies which have involvement of any Pakistani artiste, technicians, directors, music directors etc,” the association president Nitin Datar told reporters.

Mr. Datar said the decision was not taken due to any political pressure and that the association was keeping “patriotic feelings” of people in mind.

“Under our association we have several members including single screen theatres and few multiplexes. Our members are based in Maharashtra, Gujarat and parts of Goa and Karnataka,” he said, adding, “the decision stands until things (India-Pakistan relations) get normal.”

The release of Ae Dil Hai Mushkil faced trouble last month when Raj Thackeray-led Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) issued an ultimatum to Pakistani actors to leave India and also sought a ban on them.

The party had threatened to stall the releases of Ae Dil Hai Mushkil and Raees, starring another Pakistani actor Mahira in the lead role.

Subsequently, the Indian Motion Picture Producers Association (IMPPA) passed a resolution to ban artistes from across the border from working in the industry till India-Pakistan relations are normalised.

The body, however, has criticised COEAI’s decision, saying the films which have already completed production should not be targeted.

“We stick to our stand, We feel films that are completed shouldn’t be banned,” T.P. Aggarwal, IMPPA president, told PTI.

Mr. Datar of COEAI said that while the decision not to screen certain films would cause monetary losses for the theatre owners, there might have been greater damage if their screens were vandalised.

The decision drew criticism from the film fraternity but it was welcomed by the MNS.

“I congratulate all the members of COEAI... I think multiplexes haven’t taken any stand yet but we are firm on our stand that we won’t allow any movie which features Pakistani artistes to release in Maharashtra,” MNS leader Amay Khopkar said.

Censor Board chairman Pahlaj Nihalani said the decision is wrong as the film mostly features Indian actors.

“The film is produced by Indians. The film stars lot of Indian actors, so they should be concerned about our actors and the Indian producers. They have no right to take such decisions, which goes against the film industry,” Mr. Nihalani said, adding that the film has also got the censorship certificate.

Reacting to the development, actor Om Puri said that a decision like this is justified only when the government takes it.

“If the government says not only actors but all Pakistanis, who have come here for business or to meet their relatives must go back to their country and their visas must be cancelled after three days, then I am with the government. Let the head of the country decide this and not us,” Mr. Puri said.

Filmmaker Shyam Benegal said while he has no views on the matter, the decision could have been “political, commercial or social”.

A lot is riding on Ae Dil Hai Mushkil, which marks Mr. Johar’s return to direction after a gap of four years.

liall · Oct 14, 2016

SamsungGalaxy said:
What do you mean 'no deliberate fault of theirs' ?

They made movies with pakistani actors by accident ?

The Cinema Owners’ and Exhibitors Association of India is a part of the official Film Federation of India - a body consisting producers, exhibitors and studio owners. The FFI also selects Oscar nominations for India, and organises Indi’s flagship film festival, the IFFI.

When asked how long the ban will continue, the association said a review of the decision will be done once ties “normalise”.

Asked if it would have been better for Indian producers to release the films already made, Anand said, “You are talking about business, we are talking about nation. Whatever little we can do in our own capacity, we are doing. We are ready to bear the losses.”

Yeah like banning movies that feature a couple of Pakistani actors is going to hit them hard? All it does is make loss for producers and as far as the Pakistani actors are concerned- they are already paid. Whatever little action they are doing is only hitting the likes of Karan Johar who are INDIANS.

haviZsultan · Oct 14, 2016

RISING SUN said:
Yes it does no matter how small. See the point given below.
1. Pakistani people earn money from India, they pay taxes to Pakistan administrators.
2. Pakistani administrators route the money to elements who harm us and our country, our system.

So why should our hard money should be indirectly sent to those who attack us. We are all open to business or people to people interaction but if there is there is threat to my life, I can't think except saving my life. FYI my mother's cousin had seen the attackers while it happened in my native place Kashi(Varanasi). In 1990s Mumbai attacks my uncle was cut in 37 pieces and thrown in roadside bin kept for spitting tobacco. Kasab & company almost had gotten my father & cousin in 2008 CST attack. See friend I am not blind that there are not innocents in Pakistan as well like in India but the way each attack is neglected, leads us to believe that there is wrong in their establishment thinking and acting. Sometimes keeping distance is much better than having close to each other and knife ready to cut throats. And that means cutting everything, not only superficial cut.

And if I may add, general population also.

First of all sorry for your uncle and can note how it may be hard to see things from a more critical or sympathetic (for muslims) perspective when you have seen a loved one killed. Such things have also happened to my people and I lost someone close. Muslims are usually on the receiving end. 80% of those killed in riots are muslims. It does not justify what happened to your uncle but this is a reality that must be admitted adit is why both mumbai and gujarat riots are called massacres or anti muslim genocide. I think victims of riots should sit together and share their experiences. First thing it will prove is that violence has not been one-sided here.

Now, the stance against Pakistan. Lets note that first there are holes in the cloth, meaning weaknesses in the Indian account. I was in Lucknow when Samjhauta express occured and you blamed Pakistan fr it only for it to be proven to be done by hindutva's and abhinav bharat. Now that challenges the credibility of Indian reporting. You blamed it on LeT first thing. Second even if the attack was done by Pakistan based militants, which I don't for a second admit then you must note that 60,000-80,000 mostly muslim Pakistanis have been killed at the hands of terrorists. There are some elements that can't be controlled and we want to defeat. But India is aggressive and combative despite the security challenges terrorists pose to Pakistan. Can't we agree terrorists are a common threat? India should know how hard it is to fight with right wing terrorists. RSS, Shiv Sena, VHP, Bajrang Dal are all active in India. Has India ever dealt with them as harshly as we deal with the Taliban and Islamist groups? Wasn't an RSS man responsible for the murder of Gandhi. So cut Pakistan some slack.

RISING SUN · Oct 14, 2016

SrNair said:
Shocking

RIP all those died due to these terrorists .

Kick them out from our nation.

Buddy, I am not hungry for blood, rather I hate it seeing most. I am supporter of liberal policies while maintaining that people life do matter and everything needs to be done to save it. We have also plenty of those who have blood always in mind. Actors or innocents are not terrorists, but their earnings are taxed, which in way fuels the terrorists based there. That's very different point.

SrNair · Oct 14, 2016

RISING SUN said:
Buddy, I am not hungry for blood, rather I hate it seeing most. I am supporter of liberal policies while maintaining that people life do matter and everything needs to be done to save it. We have also plenty of those who have blood always in mind. Actors or innocents are not terrorists, but their earnings are taxed, which in way fuels the terrorists based there. That's very different point.

We always welcomed foreigners to prosper in India .But what we got in return ?
We dont have to show that magnanimity ,not any more

RISING SUN · Oct 14, 2016

haviZsultan said:
First of all sorry for your uncle and can note how it may be hard to see things from a more critical or sympathetic (for muslims) perspective when you have seen a loved one killed. Such things have also happened to my people and I lost someone close. Muslims are usually on the receiving end. 80% of those killed in riots are muslims. It does not justify what happened to your uncle but this is a reality that must be admitted adit is why both mumbai and gujarat riots are called massacres or anti muslim genocide. I think victims of riots should sit together and share their experiences. First thing it will prove is that violence has not been one-sided here.

Now, the stance against Pakistan. Lets note that first there are holes in the cloth, meaning weaknesses in the Indian account. I was in Lucknow when Samjhauta express occured and you blamed Pakistan fr it only for it to be proven to be done by hindutva's and abhinav bharat. Now that challenges the credibility of Indian reporting. You blamed it on LeT first thing. Second even if the attack was done by Pakistan based militants, which I don't for a second admit then you must note that 60,000-80,000 mostly muslim Pakistanis have been killed at the hands of terrorists. There are some elements that can't be controlled and we want to defeat. But India is aggressive and combative despite the security challenges terrorists pose to Pakistan. Can't we agree terrorists are a common threat? India should know how hard it is to fight with right wing terrorists. RSS, Shiv Sena, VHP, Bajrang Dal are all active in India. Has India ever dealt with them as harshly as we deal with the Taliban and Islamist groups? Wasn't an RSS man responsible for the murder of Gandhi. So cut Pakistan some slack.

See friend I have been on this forum since I think September 2007 and what I understand that you believe Muslims are persecuted here especially in Lucknow as YOU say!!! Do you know who is persecuted here in India? Only weaker people no matter whether they are Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh or any other faith believer. So please don't sing that song to me. 1990s Mumbai riot happened only because of one reason which I believe most of people are aware. And death of people was not recorded at that time due to sheer level of carnage done at that time. Every locality was affected, all social fabric torn down. Do you know who wanted that? Coming on Gujarat massacre, which year massacre you are referring, please let me know. As per official records total number of Hindus killed was 33% during that unfortunate riot which also broke the social fabric again. You may call Mr Modi whatever you want but he took everything in his hand and though not a single neighbor state sent reinforcement, still brought situation in control in less than three days. 3 days is big but when you don't have the support of your neighbor, you will understand how to deal with things when sh!t really hits the fan. Managing a state is not someone child's play. Coming on Samjhouta attacks, as innocents were murdered in that attacks. So whoever that maybe LET/Indian citizens, they deserve only one punishment, one bullet between both eyes and a last rites as per the law. Off course many thousands of innocent Pakistani Citizens also died but why, who is responsible for these mess, please go through the history of recent which government took wrong action. We had our fare share of wrong steps taken by central government (LTTE fiasco), but at least we learnt our lessens. Have your state? I don't believe so seeing things even of last year, forget of last 70 years. RSS is the organization we Hindus believe has created our views at least. Many people are not good in this organization but there are saner voices who keep them in check, especially that togadiya person he is very bad we know that. I mean really how many Pakistani people believe that Indian people follow blindly. ShivSena is a pure political party with sort of physical threats. VHP and Bajrang Dal are not widespread in Indian massages at all. They ride on the RSS work and try to disturb the work done by them. For a change I did my studies in RSS school(Saraswati name) and never knew about it, why because there is no advertising of it and it offered same service to all faith practicing people on same level without any discrimination. Teacher who taught us explained Hindu GOD, Jesus, Mohammed (PBUH) and taught us to treat all as same. I don't how you lot got this kind of idea nither I have hope of the same.

SrNair said:
We always welcomed foreigners to prosper in India .But what we got in return ?
We dont have to show that magnanimity ,not any more

We got diversity and we need more of it but we need to secure our life as well. That is my point.

Hindustani78 · Oct 15, 2016

SrNair said:
We always welcomed foreigners to prosper in India .But what we got in return ?
We dont have to show that magnanimity ,not any more

We Indians now doesnt want the respect of any nation because we will keep in mind those nations who doesnt respect Indian nation and Indian citizens aboard or within our country then we will keep them out of our prosperity.

Suvarna yug is for all the Indian nation .

haviZsultan · Oct 15, 2016

RISING SUN said:
See friend I have been on this forum since I think September 2007 and what I understand that you believe Muslims are persecuted here especially in Lucknow as YOU say!!! Do you know who is persecuted here in India? Only weaker people no matter whether they are Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh or any other faith believer. So please don't sing that song to me.

Lets not deny a common reality in India. Muslims are second class citizens. Even the loyal ones to India admit that. Accepting a problem is indeed the very first step to solving it. This is a good thing about the terrorist situation in Pakistan. It has caused the intellectuals, individuals, organizations and clergy to question themselves and their common narrative, their Islamist narrative. Increasingly we are questioning where we went wrong and the problems of a completely religious and conservative setup in the country. There are increasingly critical assessments of Mullahs and their ways. Power has been given to Muhammad Farooq Khan and Ghamidi and they are seen positively for not promoting takfir and division. This is caused because there are militants fighting an Islamic state in the name of Islam and it is enough to change the outlook.

I have no doubt the RSS would act very similarly in such a given environment that is concurrent in the Islamic world as of now.

1990s Mumbai riot happened only because of one reason which I believe most of people are aware. And death of people was not recorded at that time due to sheer level of carnage done at that time. Every locality was affected, all social fabric torn down. Do you know who wanted that?

What is that reason? You are talking about the bombing after which riots occured. That is no excuse for wasting muslims in the streets for the work of a fringe element. I am an Ansari from one side. We are both treated as terrorists by the Indian police/institutions and are also known for our liberalism. Despite my nana supporting Pakistan from day one even hindu figures came and sat at our houses. So why should our liberal family be made victim for the evils of a few terrorists in our community. I have contacts in FIA and ISI and I know what you are doing in Pakistan, what RAW is doing. So its not one sided violence here at all. Even I have been made a victim of your RAW designs which go deep within Pakistan. Our khandaan says you did not leave us in Lucknow, neither you left us in Karachi. Both places you are oppressing muslims in different ways.

By who wanted that are you alluding to Pakistan? Pakistan is not a ultra religious state. It has its share of mullahs and its share of secularists. I am a secularist committed to the secularist vision.

Coming on Gujarat massacre, which year massacre you are referring, please let me know. As per official records total number of Hindus killed was 33% during that unfortunate riot which also broke the social fabric again. You may call Mr Modi whatever you want but he took everything in his hand and though not a single neighbor state sent reinforcement, still brought situation in control in less than three days. 3 days is big but when you don't have the support of your neighbor, you will understand how to deal with things when sh!t really hits the fan.

You say Modi dealt with this. But the way he dealt with it was empowering Hindus to kill muslims. Thats all he did according to Babu Bajrangi.

Managing a state is not someone child's play. Coming on Samjhouta attacks, as innocents were murdered in that attacks. So whoever that maybe LET/Indian citizens, they deserve only one punishment, one bullet between both eyes and a last rites as per the law. Off course many thousands of innocent Pakistani Citizens also died but why, who is responsible for these mess, please go through the history of recent which government took wrong action. We had our fare share of wrong steps taken by central government (LTTE fiasco), but at least we learnt our lessens.

See. You are very typically like a common Indian blaming Pakistan. We need someone to see beyond that to build bridges. Mumbai 2008 attacks reports even are confused. Some say the attackers spoke marathi, others say Karkare was killed because he told the truth. In short there is a complete lack of trust between India and Pakistan. And I say clearly that there can be no peace if you continue advocating Indian media narrative. It's clear war-mongering that is going on rather than reduction of tensions there.

Have your state? I don't believe so seeing things even of last year, forget of last 70 years. RSS is the organization we Hindus believe has created our views at least. Many people are not good in this organization but there are saner voices who keep them in check, especially that togadiya person he is very bad we know that. I mean really how many Pakistani people believe that Indian people follow blindly. ShivSena is a pure political party with sort of physical threats. VHP and Bajrang Dal are not widespread in Indian massages at all. They ride on the RSS work and try to disturb the work done by them. For a change I did my studies in RSS school(Saraswati name) and never knew about it, why because there is no advertising of it and it offered same service to all faith practicing people on same level without any discrimination.

You cannot think that orange chaddi wala RSS people are some saviors. They were the ones who killed Gandhi for promoting equality and secularism. I think you have lost me here by supporting RSS. This is a terrorist organization and has often been attacking muslims and christians.

Teacher who taught us explained Hindu GOD, Jesus, Mohammed (PBUH) and taught us to treat all as same. I don't how you lot got this kind of idea nither I have hope of the same.

That is good. But my cousins had problems getting admission to top universities because they were muslim. Hindu teachers have been known to object to hijabi women students in their schools. There is much that needs to be done for muslims in the education scenario. You probably already know our people are the most illiterate religious group in Indian controlled parts.

We got diversity and we need more of it but we need to secure our life as well. That is my point.

I don't see how fringe hindutva ideologies can make you secure. Do the Taliban make us secure? These religious groups and organizations are degenerative. They take societies back. Name a single scientific or ideological development Islamist organizations, even relatively moderate ones like Sunni Ittehad and Jamat E Islami have brought? Or the RSS? Our life is not secure because of these organizations. There is more tension between religious groups and promotion of a conservative agenda, a less tolerant agenda that is promoted by each.

@Joe Shearer @WAJsal @Razia Sultana @jamahir. if you have any imputs here. This is me being neutral here.

Joe Shearer · Oct 15, 2016

haviZsultan said:
Lets not deny a common reality in India. Muslims are second class citizens. Even the loyal ones to India admit that. Accepting a problem is indeed the very first step to solving it. This is a good thing about the terrorist situation in Pakistan. It has caused the intellectuals, individuals, organizations and clergy to question themselves and their common narrative, their Islamist narrative. Increasingly we are questioning where we went wrong and the problems of a completely religious and conservative setup in the country. There are increasingly critical assessments of Mullahs and their ways. Power has been given to Muhammad Farooq Khan and Ghamidi and they are seen positively for not promoting takfir and division. This is caused because there are militants fighting an Islamic state in the name of Islam and it is enough to change the outlook.

I have no doubt the RSS would act very similarly in such a given environment that is concurrent in the Islamic world as of now.

What is that reason? You are talking about the bombing after which riots occured. That is no excuse for wasting muslims in the streets for the work of a fringe element. I am an Ansari from one side. We are both treated as terrorists by the Indian police/institutions and are also known for our liberalism. Despite my nana supporting Pakistan from day one even hindu figures came and sat at our houses. So why should our liberal family be made victim for the evils of a few terrorists in our community. I have contacts in FIA and ISI and I know what you are doing in Pakistan, what RAW is doing. So its not one sided violence here at all. Even I have been made a victim of your RAW designs which go deep within Pakistan. Our khandaan says you did not leave us in Lucknow, neither you left us in Karachi. Both places you are oppressing muslims in different ways.

By who wanted that are you alluding to Pakistan? Pakistan is not a ultra religious state. It has its share of mullahs and its share of secularists. I am a secularist committed to the secularist vision.

You say Modi dealt with this. But the way he dealt with it was empowering Hindus to kill muslims. Thats all he did according to Babu Bajrangi.

See. You are very typically like a common Indian blaming Pakistan. We need someone to see beyond that to build bridges. Mumbai 2008 attacks reports even are confused. Some say the attackers spoke marathi, others say Karkare was killed because he told the truth. In short there is a complete lack of trust between India and Pakistan. And I say clearly that there can be no peace if you continue advocating Indian media narrative. It's clear war-mongering that is going on rather than reduction of tensions there.

You cannot think that orange chaddi wala RSS people are some saviors. They were the ones who killed Gandhi for promoting equality and secularism. I think you have lost me here by supporting RSS. This is a terrorist organization and has often been attacking muslims and christians.

That is good. But my cousins had problems getting admission to top universities because they were muslim. Hindu teachers have been known to object to hijabi women students in their schools. There is much that needs to be done for muslims in the education scenario. You probably already know our people are the most illiterate religious group in Indian controlled parts.

I don't see how fringe hindutva ideologies can make you secure. Do the Taliban make us secure? These religious groups and organizations are degenerative. They take societies back. Name a single scientific or ideological development Islamist organizations, even relatively moderate ones like Sunni Ittehad and Jamat E Islami have brought? Or the RSS? Our life is not secure because of these organizations. There is more tension between religious groups and promotion of a conservative agenda, a less tolerant agenda that is promoted by each.

@Joe Shearer @WAJsal @Razia Sultana @jamahir. if you have any imputs here. This is me being neutral here.

I don't agree with everything, but you left me feeling good and warm again, after some horrible exchanges with some bigots on Facebook. Thank you very much.

Why can you not be neutral everywhere? What stops you? This is such a humanist voice, it is such a pleasure to hear.

Now I will go and read the thread right from the beginning, because the person you replied was making some very powerful points as well, although he was supporting Modi, which made my hackles rise.

Chauvinist said:
After passing through the censor board without the removal of Fawad Khan's scenes, Karan Johar's upcoming release Ae DIl Hai Mushkil runs itself into a roadblock.

Latest reports state that Cinema Owners and Exhibitors Association of India (COEAI) came to a decision on Friday stating that they will not screen films with Pakistani actors in India.

KJo's ADHM, which is slated to release in the next couple of weeks, may see a problem, along with Shah Rukh Khan's Raees starring Mahira Khan.

After the meeting concluded, COEAI president Nitin Datar said, "It was decided that keeping in mind the patriotic feelings and national interest, we have requested all member exhibitors to refrain from screening movies which have involvement of any Pakistani artiste, technician, director or music director."

He further added, "We are also in the process of requesting other associations connected with the film industry to support the sentiments in the best interest of our nation."

Earlier Hindu right wing party Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) had threatened Pakistani artists to leave India. However, The Hindu reports that no such stand has been taken thus far to revoke visas of Pakistani artists.

"There is no movement to revoke visas of Pakistani artists as of now. We don’t go for knee-jerk reactions," said a senior Home Ministry official.

http://images.dawn.com/news/1176417...-refuse-to-screen-films-with-pakistani-actors

What a lousy thing to happen, to artistes who have been natural bridges. I cannot help but sympathise with the strong feelings of the industry, but it was an over-reaction. I hope this anger vanishes soon. I hope they see what GoI is doing, and recover their balance.

As for the MNS, they are the most scummy dregs of society and should not be recognised as a legitimate political party. Bastards.

SamsungGalaxy said:
What do you mean 'no deliberate fault of theirs' ?

They made movies with pakistani actors by accident ?

The Cinema Owners’ and Exhibitors Association of India is a part of the official Film Federation of India - a body consisting producers, exhibitors and studio owners. The FFI also selects Oscar nominations for India, and organises Indi’s flagship film festival, the IFFI.

When asked how long the ban will continue, the association said a review of the decision will be done once ties “normalise”.

Asked if it would have been better for Indian producers to release the films already made, Anand said, “You are talking about business, we are talking about nation. Whatever little we can do in our own capacity, we are doing. We are ready to bear the losses.”

So what is wrong with it?

haviZsultan · Oct 15, 2016

Joe Shearer said:
I don't agree with everything, but you left me feeling good and warm again, after some horrible exchanges with some bigots on Facebook. Thank you very much.

Why can you not be neutral everywhere? What stops you? This is such a humanist voice, it is such a pleasure to hear.

Now I will go and read the thread right from the beginning, because the person you replied was making some very powerful points as well, although he was supporting Modi, which made my hackles rise.

What a lousy thing to happen, to artistes who have been natural bridges. I cannot help but sympathise with the strong feelings of the industry, but it was an over-reaction. I hope this anger vanishes soon. I hope they see what GoI is doing, and recover their balance.

As for the MNS, they are the most scummy dregs of society and should not be recognised as a legitimate political party. Bastards.

I don't ever want to sound harsh. But I have emotional links to the land of Lucknow. My views are not welcome in many places but I strongly support hindu muslim harmony. There are indeed many good hindus in the world.

Joe Shearer · Oct 15, 2016

haviZsultan said:
I don't ever want to sound harsh. But I have emotional links to the land of Lucknow. My views are not welcome in many places but I strongly support hindu muslim harmony. There are indeed many good hindus in the world.

What about people who don't care to be labelled Hindus, or Muslims? Leave some space for us as well. And I appreciate your support of Hindu-Muslim harmony, and hope that over time, it will convert to living Hindu-Muslim harmony. It is possible.

Hindustani78 · Oct 15, 2016

Joe Shearer said:
I don't agree with everything, but you left me feeling good and warm again, after some horrible exchanges with some bigots on Facebook. Thank you very much.

Why can you not be neutral everywhere? What stops you? This is such a humanist voice, it is such a pleasure to hear.

Now I will go and read the thread right from the beginning, because the person you replied was making some very powerful points as well, although he was supporting Modi, which made my hackles rise.

What a lousy thing to happen, to artistes who have been natural bridges. I cannot help but sympathise with the strong feelings of the industry, but it was an over-reaction. I hope this anger vanishes soon. I hope they see what GoI is doing, and recover their balance.

As for the MNS, they are the most scummy dregs of society and should not be recognised as a legitimate political party. Bastards.

Why should Indians have to be neutral everywhere and keep on the mantra of vasu dev kutumbum ?

Suvarna Yug is for Indian nation .

Mathru Devo Bhava, Pitru Devo Bhava than only Atithi Devo Bhava

Joe Shearer said:
What about people who don't care to be labelled Hindus, or Muslims? Leave some space for us as well. And I appreciate your support of Hindu-Muslim harmony, and hope that over time, it will convert to living Hindu-Muslim harmony. It is possible.

Indian nation have to understand one thing first that they can follow their religions respectively that time only when they are having our nation Independence.

A Follower of Vedas never have problem with Islamic people and the follower of Quran will never have problem with the follower of Vedas.

Apani aazaadi ko ham haragiz mitaa sakate nahi
Sar kataa sakate hai lekin sar jhukaa sakate nahi

Hamane sadiyo me ye aazaadi ki nemat paai hai
Saikado qurabaaniyaan dekar ye daulat paai hai
Muskaraakar khaai hai sino pe apane goliyaan
Kitane viraano se guzare hai to jannat paai hai
Kaak me ham apani izzat ko milaa sakate nahi
Apani aazaadi ko ham haragiz mitaa sakate nahi

Kyaa chalegi zulm ki ahale vafaa ke saamane
Aa nahi sakataa koi sholaa havaa ke saamane
Laakh fauje le ke aai aman kaa dushman koi
Ruk nahi sakataa hamaari ekataa ke saamane
Ham vo patthar hai jise dushman hilaa sakate nahi
Apani aazaadi ko ham haragiz mitaa sakate nahi
Sar kataa sakate hai lekin sar jhukaa sakate nahi

Waqt ki aavaj ke ham saath chalate jaaege
Har qadam par zindagi kaa ruk badalate jaaege
Gar vatan me bhi milegaa koi gaddaar e vatan
Apani taaqat se ham usakaa sar kuchalate jaaege
Ek dhokhaa khaa chuke hai aur khaa sakate nahi
Apani aazaadi ko ham haragiz mitaa sakate nahi

Hum vatan ke nojavaan hai hum se jo takaraayega
Vo humari thokaro se khaak me mil jaayega
Waqt ke tufaan me beh jaayenge julmo sitam
Aasmaan par ye tirangaa umra bhar leharaayega
Jo sabak baapu ne sikhalaya vo bhula sakte nahi
Sar kataa sakate hai lekin sar jhukaa sakate nahi

Joe Shearer · Oct 15, 2016

SamsungGalaxy said:
It gets a lot worse.

Indian Motion Picture Producers Association (IMPPA) passed a resolution to ban artistes from across the border from working in the industry till India-Pakistan relations are normalised.

This will effect the ban on Karan Johars DIwali release in Maharashtra, Gujarat, Karnataka and Goa.

Now its time for the secular film stars to join forces and donate money to Karan johar to make up for his loss. Time to put the money where the mouth is. Which of the Khan's will stand up first ?

It gets stupider and stupider.

Zibago said:
@Mugwop @Moonlight @django @The Sandman
Lol Fawad khud to gaya ab sath mein Karan Johar kp bhi ley doba hahaha

We banned your film you banned your own film big difference

And two sets of asses celebrated.

CorporateAffairs said:
Stupidity? My foot.
Very good decision.

Utterly stupid. And your foot seems to be equally stupid. At the moment, we must suspend judgement about the rest.

Skywalker said:
Bear the losses, let see for how long.

The producers can bear the losses. It is well known where the money comes from. Those thugs can spare a few hundred crores from their stashes of a few thousand crores.

My objection is to the irrationality of the decision.

RISING SUN said:
Yes it does no matter how small. See the point given below.
1. Pakistani people earn money from India, they pay taxes to Pakistan administrators.
2. Pakistani administrators route the money to elements who harm us and our country, our system.

So why should our hard money should be indirectly sent to those who attack us. We are all open to business or people to people interaction but if there is there is threat to my life, I can't think except saving my life. FYI my mother's cousin had seen the attackers while it happened in my native place Kashi(Varanasi). In 1990s Mumbai attacks my uncle was cut in 37 pieces and thrown in roadside bin kept for spitting tobacco. Kasab & company almost had gotten my father & cousin in 2008 CST attack. See friend I am not blind that there are not innocents in Pakistan as well like in India but the way each attack is neglected, leads us to believe that there is wrong in their establishment thinking and acting. Sometimes keeping distance is much better than having close to each other and knife ready to cut throats. And that means cutting everything, not only superficial cut.

And if I may add, general population also.

They pay taxes here, in India.

I love the way every ignorant idiot comes up with his own fancy interpretation of why we should do stupid things.

Chauvinist · Oct 15, 2016

Joe Shearer said:
What a lousy thing to happen, to artistes who have been natural bridges. I cannot help but sympathise with the strong feelings of the industry, but it was an over-reaction. I hope this anger vanishes soon. I hope they see what GoI is doing, and recover their balance.

I guess what they thought the enemy is that handsome man dancing on the stage.. No??

Joe Shearer · Oct 15, 2016

DESERT FIGHTER said:
Indians actors also work and earn money in Pakistan.

Indian producers also earn money by screening those movies in Pakistan..

Rest I can copy n paste your own logic for jingoistic agenda.

You can.

If you do, you achieve their purpose: to reduce yourself to their level. It is a competition to be the most stupid, each trying to outdo the other.

What are you doing in this race? Do the smart thing. Step out.

Chauvinist said:
I guess what they thought the enemy is that handsome man dancing on the stage.. No??

No.

With crack-brains like this - read the posts of @RISING SUN - it is the background music that is hostile. Or perhaps the scenery. Who will account for the lunatic notions of such?

SamsungGalaxy said:
I want Indians like karan johar to feel the pain. The best way to make them feel the pain is monetary loss.

So the next time a pakistan actors come for a role, they producers will remember this painful lesson. Its amazing what pain does for your memory. You tend to remember it for ever.

Next is the SRK movie that has a pakistani actress. That is going to be fun too.

Interesting to see what you define as fun.

RISING SUN said:
Buddy, I am not hungry for blood, rather I hate it seeing most. I am supporter of liberal policies while maintaining that people life do matter and everything needs to be done to save it. We have also plenty of those who have blood always in mind. Actors or innocents are not terrorists, but their earnings are taxed, which in way fuels the terrorists based there. That's very different point.

How many times does it have to be repeated that they are taxed IN INDIA for it to sink in?

SrNair said:
We always welcomed foreigners to prosper in India .But what we got in return ?
We dont have to show that magnanimity ,not any more

What did you get in return? Why don't you complete the answer to that question? Are you seriously thinking that we get attacked by terrorists because some random actor or actress gets a role? Or a Pakistani singer gets an audience?

Your point probably is that while we show tolerance and hospitality, we get to face brutal terrorism and murderous attacks.

You forget, when you and I go and visit Pakistan, we are likely to get magnificent treatment as guests, as individuals. It is elements within Pakistan, elements that we call the 'deep state' to avoid giving offence to the administration of this forum, even more, to avoid giving offence to those who can put pressure on the administration of this forum, and our quarrel is with those elements.

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