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Pakistan's Procrastination over Yemen Crisis

We are not babysitters and they are not lazy anymore ....we are friends and we all have our own weaknesses and friends must cover one another in times of needs ...KSA has been helping Pakistan since it's inception and Pakistan should have helped them when they needed us. Again there was no war ...it was a conflict ...all KSA wanted us to show our solidarity with them ...which we did not ...we will be left alone in the GCC ...All i say is that we should have helped KSA for ours sake ...No ? :azn:


There was no role of Pak Army in freeing the siege of Kaba....if you have any authentic source ...do share ...and I have written how a bunch of PAF pilots and technicians did participate in the Arab-Israel wars ...:pakistan:

We did not help them during the siege of Kaba ...read Profiles of Intelligence ...a book written by a retired Brigadier of ISI covering some of the operations of ISI ...and helping a friend is also a moral obligation...:D

The problem is in us, not in our stars, let's blame our self first...There is nothing wrong with Pakistan that cannot


Cool down bro ...accept my apology on behalf of Shamain ...peace :pakistan:

Brigadier tariq mehmood of ssg led the kaaba seige mission. Dont know phir if its not true. But again whether we did that or not , not adding it to the category of offering help to saudia. Helping in kaaba seige was helping ourselves.

No dont apologize to arsalan
 
Brigadier tariq mehmood of ssg led the kaaba seige mission. Dont know phir if its not true. But again whether we did that or not , not adding it to the category of offering help to saudia. Helping in kaaba seige was helping ourselves.

No dont apologize to arsalan
Pakistan had no role in breaking the siege of Kaba ...it is just an urban legend that we TM led SSG into action ...I wish it was so ....but it is not.
I have already ....don't want to see you banned again :undecided:
 
Pakistan had no role in breaking the siege of Kaba ...it is just an urban legend that we TM led SSG into action ...I wish it was so ....but it is not.
I have already ....don't want to see you banned again :undecided:
Hmmmmmmm lets say iwant to continue believing the urban legend till ifind a concrete reason not to . :-]

As of arsalan, nahi this guy is always cursing pak army and blaming pak for afganistan , and btw its him who was foul mouthing. But thanx for the concern lolzzz. So kind of u.
 
Hmmmmmmm lets say iwant to continue believing the urban legend till ifind a concrete reason not to . :-]
Believe in reason, logic, truth and nothing but the whole truth ...what do you mean by concrete reason btw :pop:
 
It looks like still the cheap and dirty remains of the zia ul haq think to use PA against other countries.

LOL! Blinds try to see too far where they cannot reach.

PA is for the defence of Pakistan and the day it is rented out will be beginning of the downfall of the nation.

Therefore the patriot Pakistanis will never allow such thing to happen.

The terror gangs like jud let etc are already waiting to weaken the pa so that they play their games. wahabis should go and die for the monarchs. wahabi saudi era is over. people should get this into their head.

Time is still there for Pakistan to change its stand and involve at a low level by sending naval vessels to patrol the Yemeni coast to stop nasty Iranians from sending in arms and ammunition and a few JF-17 to carry out surgical strikes on arms n ammo depots, Houthi convoys, Military bases etc. It will be KSA & GCC only who can provide many kind of helps to Pakistan in case of an aggression from East or from conspiring Iran full of "bugs".

yeah that is the only way left to weaken the PA to pave way to empower the filthy wahabi terror gangs like jud let in Pakistan.
 
Time is still there for Pakistan to change its stand and involve at a low level by sending naval vessels to patrol the Yemeni coast to stop nasty Iranians from sending in arms and ammunition and a few JF-17 to carry out surgical strikes on arms n ammo depots, Houthi convoys, Military bases etc. It will be KSA & GCC only who can provide many kind of helps to Pakistan in case of an aggression from East or from conspiring Iran full of "bugs".
I do agree with you !
 
It looks like still the cheap and dirty remains of the zia ul haq think to use PA against other countries.

LOL! Blinds try to see too far where they cannot reach.

PA is for the defence of Pakistan and the day it is rented out will be beginning of the downfall of the nation.

Therefore the patriot Pakistanis will never allow such thing to happen.

The terror gangs like jud let etc are already waiting to weaken the pa so that they play their games. wahabis should go and die for the monarchs. wahabi saudi era is over. people should get this into their head.



yeah that is the only way left to weaken the PA to pave way to empower the filthy wahabi terror gangs like jud let in Pakistan.
Are you a filthy Laddu or follower of a filthy Taqiyya cult the deviant of Islam. Islam n Muslim brotherhood will be the base of Pakistan, with Sharia as its law n Atheism & Deviation from Islam will be kicked out of Pakistan. Insha Allah.
 
^ Now this Ladies and Gentlemen is exactly why we should stay out of this Yemen saga and the Middle East in general...
The only thing it will do is encourage people like these.
Those who are advocating involvement enjoy this splendid company.
 
Pakistan will only send peacekeeping troops after a resolution in Islamic Conference. We do not want to get involved in anti-Shia campaign in Yemen. Pakistan although a majority Sunni country has 20% Shia population and founder of Pakistan Mohammad Ali Jinnah was Shia. If Saudi rulers and their fan boys in PDF cannot understand any part of Pakistan's NO to sending troops to Yemen then they should repeat kindergarten !
 
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Are you a filthy Laddu or follower of a filthy Taqiyya cult the deviant of Islam. Islam n Muslim brotherhood will be the base of Pakistan, with Sharia as its law n Atheism & Deviation from Islam will be kicked out of Pakistan. Insha Allah.

Now when the minority filthy wahabi days are numbered in Arabia, this dirty wahabi filth is seeking New base in Pakistan and building its new head quarters in Austria.

Pakistan problem is the minority wahabi filth, created by the State in the form of JUD, LeT, LeJ, Jamat Islami, etc etc etc.

Pakistanis should get the answer why minority filthy wahabis are allowed by the state to build one million strong terror gangs.

Inshallah, the world will witness the defeat of the wahabi filth Globally.

many came and gone in 1400 years.

Shia and Sunni will remain. no one can eliminate them. people are more strong than the dirty wahabi filth.
 
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Now when the minority filthy wahabi days are numbered in Arabia, this dirty wahabi filth is seeking New base in Pakistan and building its new head quarters in Austria.

Pakistan problem is the minority wahabi filth, created by the State in the form of JUD, LeT, LeJ, Jamat Islami, etc etc etc.

Pakistanis should get the answer why minority filthy wahabis are allowed by the state to build one million strong terror gangs.

Inshallah, the world will witness the defeat of the wahabi filth Globally.

many came and gone in 1400 years.

Shia and Sunni will remain. no one can eliminate them. people are more strong than the dirty wahabi filth.
KEEP DREAMING YOU ATHEIST FILTH!!
 
Best decision Pakistan ever made was to decline the invitation to join the coalition against Yemen. This is simply not our war.

However, in politics, be it local or International; there is no such thing as Black or White. Everything is a shade of grey where “End justifies the means” prevails. You want to see ‘Realpolitik’ in action read the following article by Ayaz Amir which aptly describes that when the interest of Wahhabi Saudis & Jewish Israel coincide; plight of the Palestinians Muslims and the fact that Israel has forcibly occupied Arab lands & Eastern Jerusalem conveniently ignored.

Ayaz Amir
Friday, July 17, 2015


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Islamabad diary

Israeli anger is easily understood. Anything that makes life easier for Iran is anathema to Israel. The nuclear deal which puts a cap on Iran’s nuclear programme for the next 15 years in return for the lifting of sanctions allows Iran to break out of its international isolation.

We should be clear about the basics. For Israel the mortal enemy is not the world of Islam. This is a fairy tale whose time has gone. With its Arab neighbours, except for Shiite dominated Syria, Israel happily coexists. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf Sheikhdoms have no problem with Israel and Israel none with them.

The mortal enemy is Shiite Iran, and Shiite Hezbollah and Alawite Syria (the only Sunni entity hostile to Israel is Hamas). So how can Israel like an agreement which brings Iran out of the wilderness in which it has existed since its 1979 revolution?

But the Saudi ruling family too is upset because old certainties stand destroyed and that comfortable world in which Iran was always the outsider has been upended.

The spread of Iranian influence across the region – Iran with a foot in Syria, Iran backing Hezbollah, Iran helping defend the beleaguered Baghdad regime against the advancing Daesh or the Islamic state – was already proving too much for the Saudis. And now Iran acquires international respectability. Able to resume oil exports in full it will have more money in its coffers. Our Saudi friends merit sympathy. Living in another world they have yet to figure out how to respond to this challenge.

The Republican Party doesn’t like this deal. Friends of Israel don’t like it. But they can only fume and fret. President Obama has invested too much in it. This is something which, despite the histrionics, is not going to go away. The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and our Saudi friends will have to provide what solace they can to each other.

Libya was the last frontier, the last country that the west and ‘conservative’ Islam were able to jointly destroy. (What good its destruction did them is not easy to understand.) Their next target was Syria. Death and destruction have been visited on that country but Bashar al-Assad, tougher than anyone had imagined he could be, has stood his ground. One of the indirect consequences of the Iran deal is that it will be all the harder to bring al-Assad down.

Our Arab friends are not getting it. Threatening them is not Bashar al-Assad. It is not Hezbollah. It is not even Iran. What threatens them is the rise of the Islamic State, which is setting itself up as the champion of Sunni Islam. The Saudis therefore are grappling with the wrong ghosts. They are the custodians of the Two Holy Mosques. May the Mosques bring them greater wisdom.

For Pakistan this is not a moment of danger but one of immense possibilities. For the first time in 30 or 35 years Pakistan is engaged in no external adventure. It is caught up in no external ‘jihad’. It lived through the fever of religious extremism and is now in the process of getting this fever out of its system.

The love affair with Wahhabi Islam has abated. Please don’t get me wrong. The paraphernalia of bigotry and extremism is in place – our madressahs still unique settings for the acquisition of a narrow-minded view of the world. But with the army in the throes of a mental turnaround Wahhabi or Salafist Islam, which fuelled and sustained extremism, has lost its exalted status.

The godfather of all these perverse doctrines – doctrines that we embraced from our first involvement in Afghanistan beginning with that commander of the faithful, Gen Ziaul Haq – was the army. With the army executing an about-turn, ‘jihadist’ Islam in Pakistan has lost its protective cover. The military-mullah nexus which caused the country such harm stands finally broken.

The various maulanas of this or that school are still around. But they are losing their bite and relevance. This is also true of such officially-anointed soldiers of ‘jihad’ as Hafiz Muhammad Saeed. He is slowly being allowed to turn into an item in a museum. Who can stop him from holding rallies in defence of Kashmir or Saudi Arabia? Such stirring events add colour to our politics.

Just a year ago – if we only care to remember – it was the national fashion to appease the Taliban and to portray them as supreme messengers of peace, even when they were bombing churches and mosques and slitting the throats of our soldiers. But only because the army decided to go after the Taliban, the change in national fashion has been dramatic, former appeasers-in-chief casting aside their robes and clambering aboard the war chariot.

Don’t expect the Pakistani liberati to show much sympathy for these mental adjustments. For historical reasons – Pakistan’s frequent descents into martial law – one of the central tenets of Pakistani liberalism was army-bashing…taking on the ‘national security state’. It has taken a long time for the army to get over its love affair with Wahhabi Islam. It will take some time for the liberati to look at the ‘national security state’ with anything approaching a normal frame of mind.

Experiencing the fever of extremism and then surviving it, means that we are now inoculated. Our body is tougher. Libya is no longer a functioning state. There is war in Iraq, civil war in Syria. And Afghanistan remains in turmoil. Our troubles once upon a time looked greater. We could very well have gone the way of Syria and Iraq…and no one would have come to our rescue, and our nukes would have been of no help. But we have come through those storms. Our ship could have been wrecked but it survives.

Pakistan is stronger as a result of these trials. The army is battle-hardened, its ongoing war against extremism a more toughening experience than all the wars with India.

The virus of the Islamic State can affect Afghanistan. It cannot gain a foothold in Pakistan because the Pakistani state is no longer as vulnerable, as prone to infection, as it was before the onset of hostilities against the Taliban.

The situation in Afghanistan is also looking up for us. Daesh is registering its entry in Afghanistan which in a way is good news – the Taliban and Daesh deserve each other. Hopefully we should have the sense not to get involved…which throat is cut and which is not should be none of our business.

The rise of Hindu chauvinism or Hindutva is also something good for us. We have lived through our fever of various stupidities. Let Shining India now live through its share of stupidities.

But to make the most of these opportunities, to come finally round to putting our house in order and becoming an oasis of calm and stability in a region racked with turmoil and instability, we need bold and imaginative leadership…surer hands on the tiller and eyes that can see through the fog.

Let the liberati not take fright, or reach for its alarm bells. Since when was calling for better leadership an attack on the constitution? The present stability Pakistan enjoys comes from the forward policy of the army. But what happens if this posture changes?

It is our good luck that one set of plunderers and incompetents – aka the PPP – finds itself exhausted…undone by its own excesses, and on the verge of being consigned to the dustbin of history. How many more incompetents and plunderers can our political system filter out? The next two years are thus crucial. Will our luck hold? Will Pakistan be handsome and rich? We’ll have to go up to the mountains to seek some holy man to give us the answers.

Email: bhagwal63@gmail.com

Iran comes in from the cold and our opportunity - Ayaz Amir
 
Are you a filthy Laddu or follower of a filthy Taqiyya cult the deviant of Islam. Islam n Muslim brotherhood will be the base of Pakistan, with Sharia as its law n Atheism & Deviation from Islam will be kicked out of Pakistan. Insha Allah.

typical Jamati ignorant.

the era of filthy wahabi hegemony is over.
packs of wahabi hyenas will be taken care once they come out of their dens.
 

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