The betrayal of my beautiful religion, Islam

VCheng · Sep 16, 2014

Akheilos said:
I am still waiting for the next side....am kinda tired of seeing 1 side

Just because you do not see it does not mean that others will see it the same way you do.

SarthakGanguly said:
Like Breivik. The press went gaga over it. Norweigians hanged their head in shame, so much so - that some got buried in the sand for some time. Liberals got the chance and became a Hercules for some time. Unforunately for them, this remained a single isolated incident that soon got eclipsed by others in another part of the world.

Of course. That is the media's job: to provide coverage of events, no matter what.

VCheng · Sep 16, 2014

SarthakGanguly said:
No, I don't mind. Media is always hungry for news. No matter what. Problem (with us) is they have no shame/don't hide anything. A news that is a relief for us today can be overshadowed by one that embarasses us to no end tomorrow.

The media's job is to cover events, without fear or favor. That is all.

SarthakGanguly · Sep 16, 2014

Syed.Ali.Haider said:
The media's job is to cover events, without fear or favor. That is all.

I agree.

jbond197 · Sep 16, 2014

Akheilos said:
I believe those "people" doesnt include you

Neither you since we are talking here about historians who presented fair descriptions of those chaotic days and the media is highlighting the same chaos today!!

Because I have seen heard enough crap about Indians and Islam many are still sore from the Mughal rule and cant seem to snap out of it to actually see Islam...all they see is whats happening in their own surroundings...c
all it narrow mindedness or whatever...but it is really sad not a single soul wishes to broaden their scope!

Well it is more about what Muslims have been doing since ages not the others. Non-muslims were butchered in the past,the same happens today as the followers draw inspirations from their ancestors acts of the past. Stop bringing any country in particular into debate. What i said is true for all the places where Islamic conquest happenend!!

Aparently you have not seen nor read enough except the limited stuff that happens in your background and the limited stuff that media lets you see...How much have you tried to explore on your own?

That's the problem, I am seing what people are doing and its not limited to one place in particular, it's happening everywhere.. What else is left to explore? I look down upon beheadings big time, as i look down upon many practices in my own religion, and i see it as a routine thing in Islamic nations justified by Islamic laws. Sorry i can't describe these as practice of peace loving people. These thing should not be even present in the days we are living in!! I see muslims fighting each other claiming the Islam they follow is the one that is right. What do you want me to do when these things are done by Muslims themselves? If you want to project peaceful image then do it by your deeds not by forcing people to explore some hidden message somewhere.

And here the ignorance starts again...I believe you didnt even read post 1 coz what you are talking about has nothing to do with post 1 and my series of questions regarding it...You just read the article beheading and your mind started to conclude based on your limited knowledge

Well what I am talking about has all to do with the question you are asking but it is only you who do not want to agree with it, so twisting things around. You are saying media portrays muslims in the bad light and do not show how peaceful message the religion contains.. But bigger question to ask is - is that the message majority of muslims ever tried to pass? Forget about those involved with ISIS for a second, if you look around you can still see a hell lot of intolerance, contempt & disrespect among Muslims for followers of other religions but then they want all the respect in return. Muslims look down upon non-Muslims as some one who will burn in hell fire called them non believers(kafirs). My question is - who are you to decide that? And after all that crap you guys keep throwing around, you want people to explore peace in your religion, turning blind to what followers of your religion are actually doing. That's cute!!

Nice personal attack ..reported

Its simply wonderful to see you could find personal attack in what I said. Stop living with twisted logic!!

Mav3rick · Sep 17, 2014

HariPrasad said:
Yes State execution is even more danger if it is done without sufficient reason and depriving culprit of proper opportunity to represent himself. Look at Kasab. He was given all the opportunity to represent himself including lawyer. In some uncivilized country people are hanged. Behaded or shot in head without proper trial and for not very serious crime. Some uncivilized nation has quota of execution. If they do not have sufficient people to execute, they will execute the criminal with less serious (Non executable) crime and that too in Public.

You are coming in as extremely confused. First you have a problem with state executions, then you have a problem with abuse of state authority and capital punishment. Can I logically deduce from your previous posts that you don't actually have a problem with state executions where all legal formalities have been undertaken and where serving of justice is the prime goal?

HariPrasad · Sep 17, 2014

Mav3rick said:
You are coming in as extremely confused. First you have a problem with state executions, then you have a problem with abuse of state authority and capital punishment. Can I logically deduce from your previous posts that you don't actually have a problem with state executions where all legal formalities have been undertaken and where serving of justice is the prime goal?

You are unable to comprehend my post properly. We have a very large differences of Opinion. it would require a prolonged debate to agree on very few issue. Please leave it. Close from my side.

asq · Sep 18, 2014

The SC said:
One Scandinavian prime minister was assassinated too, not too far ago, it is a risk to be taken, but other means of governance verifications are available to leaders now a day. Khalifa Omar used to do it every night by visiting homes and families, he was assassinated none the less.

Omar R.A.Khalifa and many more were assassinated but look what they left as examples for Islam, we must follow them and not our own concoctions and our own whims, sure they should try to be careful, but we the Muslims believe that when life ends is written by our Lord, it is to assure those who try to surround themselves with great security about the life and death.

One Scandinavian was assassinated but they did not surround themselves security like our Leaders, that is the point.

So being careful without wasting Nations resources and than if a pilot makes a mistake to fire him or her is totally insane to say say least.

The SC · Sep 19, 2014

asq said:
Omar R.A.Khalifa and many more were assassinated but look what they left as examples for Islam, we must follow them and not our own concoctions and our own whims, sure they should try to be careful, but we the Muslims believe that when life ends is written by our Lord, it is to assure those who try to surround themselves with great security about the life and death.

One Scandinavian was assassinated but they did not surround themselves security like our Leaders, that is the point.

So being careful without wasting Nations resources and than if a pilot makes a mistake to fire him or her is totally insane to say say least.

I totally agree with you on that, the best example is Anouar Sadat who had a very comprehensive security around him a was still assassinated. The key word in your statement is that they should be careful even if they are just, since being just can trigger the ire of unjust people or some people who finds that justice not suiting them. So what our leaders should be just (on the right path) , while having some sort of personal security, to be careful of insane or ill motivated individuals and organizations.The rest will be in God's hands.

asq · Sep 22, 2014

The SC said:
I totally agree with you on that, the best example is Anouar Sadat who had a very comprehensive security around him a was still assassinated. The key word in your statement is that they should be careful even if they are just, since being just can trigger the ire of unjust people or some people who finds that justice not suiting them. So what our leaders should be just (on the right path) , while having some sort of personal security, to be careful of insane or ill motivated individuals and organizations.The rest will be in God's hands.

real answer is from today from Scandinavia, though there been assassination but very rare, they should copy them by knowing what they been doing right.
thanks for agreeing about leadership generally, the point is that we believe that death only come once when and where it is written for all of us.

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