Pakistani daily concerned over India's hiked defence budget

nik22 said:

From who, your chinese neighbor?

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I need two magazines of .40 caliber pistol rounds, and a bottle of vodka.

Chinese-Dragon said:

I really should increase my annual defence budget.

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Defence from your Gf or Wife?

If so there is no good solution.

Kaalapani said:

Defence from your Gf or Wife?

If so there is no good solution.

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I know.

Chinese-Dragon said:

I need two magazines of .40 caliber pistol rounds, and a bottle of vodka.

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You should get those from Pakistan. They make everything!

Indians got a chance to express their frustration and who better than Administrator!
But seriously that post would have been better for the like of Dessert Fighter.

rockstar08 said:

nukes are enough to put each other armies at bay ... no need to worry

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yeah, but given our ballistic missile defence systems, your chinese nuke dont count for shit, lolz

Aeronaut said:

The purpose of my post wasn't to draw a dick measuring ribbon out of my pocket as some posters from across the sand have made it out to be.

Indian defense budget is 7X our defense budget. What we develop is only to defend ourselves. We don't seek parity with India as unlike India we don't seek hegemony.

India can multiply its defense budget by a 100%, it won't impact Pakistan more than the 500 million dirt poor Indian citizens.

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i know what was the purpose of your stupid post, every troll says things like that after being thrashed mercilessly, AND, u people do not manufacture anything, all dat u do is to buy from china and paint it green.

TRAIN KA ENGINE TO BANA NHI SAKTE, CHALE HAIN ATOM BOMB BANANE

Friei Indien said:

yeah, but given our ballistic missile defence systems, your chinese nuke dont count for shit, lolz



i know what was the purpose of your stupid post, every troll says things like that after being thrashed mercilessly, AND, u people do not manufacture anything, all dat u do is to buy from china and paint it green.

TRAIN KA ENGINE TO BANA NHI SAKTE, CHALE HAIN ATOM BOMB BANANE

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Aeronaut

Please post a picture and details of this indenggious all Pakistani Apc your telling us about.

And the indengious howitzer and warships

Love to see them

mods please close this troll heaven

To sum up the defence budget issue here and stop this pointless battle.

Pakistan and Indian defence establishments have entirely different objectives(Both strategic and operational) and Ideology. Regardless of what Pakistani or Indian commoner say for his nationalism and ethnocentrism.
Comparing the two budgets numerically is utter rubbish.

Indian doctrine is based on Power projection and deterrence to China. As india is 4th largest economy of the world and among BRICS state and views itself as a regional power. And also the view of indian establishment to counter China is to project a proportional power(Like Pakistan did in 60s and 80s toward india) So levish defence spendings are made to achieve indeginous capacity and arms supermacy setting off the much cheaper alternatives to acquire same technology from sources without TOT or indeginoud production.

Pakistan on the other hand is ranked 25th largest economy of the world. And Pakistani doctrine now is to maintain minimum deterrence against India and maintain efficient counter insurgency capacity toward west. Here more emphasis is made to acquire best weapons in the most efficient rates. Replacements are delayed as much as possible. Liscence productions are emphasized instead of spending in huge R&D budgets to acquire the same capacity. Thats why Pakistan is able to maintain a half sized force equilly equipped and modernized in a 7 times less budget.

Because the strategic goals of both nations are totally different. For example in case both countries want to upgrade there artillery force. Pak will look to acquire liscence production of Chinese or US howitzers or even used american models in cheap rates and probably the ones they already have the infrastructure for.With a goal to deter an indian aggression in near future.
While India will look to develope it in house with russian or french experts and to enter into export market. that will cost 10 times more compare to Pakistan for the same capability but it will be good for future.

Sadly our financial constrains donot allow us to engage in an arms race with India but our forces do well to maintain sufficient force to repel any possible invasion.
Conclusion:
Following its defence doctrine India have established a good indeginous industrial base for a potential Arms manufacturer in all Air Land and water Ranging from TEJAS Arjun Dhruv Akash Dhanush and other systems that will mature in future. And in near future it will surely stand among the ranks of France and Russia.

While Pakistan following its own, have managed to reduce the numerical superiority of Indian armed forces from 4:1 in past to 2:1 today in the limited resources.

So by defence industry scale and budget India is way ahead of Pakistan
But by per dollar value addition Pakistan is way ahead of India.

Stop trolling each other by comparing oranges with apples.
Both India and Pakistan are capable forces and have many things to be proud on.
Cheers

Storm Force said:

Aeronaut

Please post a picture and details of this indenggious all Pakistani Apc your telling us about.

And the indengious howitzer and warships

Love to see them

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Well bro if you are not a troll and genuinly want to gain knowledge on defence hardware.(and ofcourse will not spoil the thread by lame arguments that "it is based on that and not indeginous"stuff)

APC Talha is manufactured by Pakistan and is exported to Iraqi armed forces as well

Currently there is no Howitzer in production but i can confirm you(no rumor) that Currently Pakistan is working with colaboration of turkey to produce Howitzer in house. But for now only imports.

Mushaq And super Mushaq Trainers is also a very famous export of Pakistan.(engines are imported from US and it was designed in collaboration of Saab but we have complete liscence to export)

K8 karakorum is also exported in trainer and light attack role (engines are imported from china but we have authority to export)

Alkhalid is also made in Pakistan(Ukarainian Engine)

And there are a lot of drones made in AWC kamra (both recconaiscence and attack) Shehpar ababil jasuus uqaab

Apart from these complete systems there are countless subsystems that are produced locally with full indiginuity and some with TOT and some under liscence. You can find details in relevant thread.
And it is mighty impressive for the given defence budget. Compared to the same level of budget of other countries they have crappy defence industries.Exept iran no other country matches the efficiency of defence spendings of Pakistan
Cheers

Exept iran no other country matches the efficiency of defence spendings of Pakistan
Cheers

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I beg to differ.

Without USA grant aid of over $1 billion a year you would be in serious financial trouble your big ticket items would come to a standstill.

And without China option for majority of your hardware you would never be able to maintain even half of what you have. Cheap chinease hardware with soft loans has been a god send.

if you where on your own .....Financially your screwed

Lucklily A Combination of USA aid and your alliance with china gives some sort of military capability.

rockstar08 said:

nukes are enough to put each other armies at bay ... no need to worry

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Again nuke card... So its becoming a trend for everything india has pak has nukes, india developing pak has nukes, india's new pm is narendra modi pak has nukes, india to be a industrial hub pak has nukes, india is conventionally more powerful pak has nukes.

Aeronaut said:

The purpose of my post wasn't to draw a dick measuring ribbon out of my pocket as some posters from across the sand have made it out to be.

Indian defense budget is 7X our defense budget. What we develop is only to defend ourselves. We don't seek parity with India as unlike India we don't seek hegemony.

India can multiply its defense budget by a 100%, it won't impact Pakistan more than the 500 million dirt poor Indian citizens.

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So poverty reduced in india from 700 million dirt poor to 500 million dirt poor? How many still dont have toilets you guyz must be knowing for sure.

Storm Force said:

I beg to differ.
Without USA grant aid of over $1 billion a year you would be in serious financial trouble your big ticket items would come to a standstill.
And without China option for majority of your hardware you would never be able to maintain even half of what you have. Cheap chinease hardware with soft loans has been a god send.
if you where on your own .....Financially your screwed
Lucklily A Combination of USA aid and your alliance with china gives some sort of military capability.

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My friend You can assume whatever you want to but we are perfectly poised for our own defence and we dont need to justify to anyone from where and how we run our defence industriy. Allies are not God send or luck. they are made by policies and diplomacy.
I have no problem with wishfull thinking or Assumptions. Whatever make you happy

alpha q said:

Again nuke card... So its becoming a trend for everything india has pak has nukes, india developing pak has nukes, india's new pm is narendra modi pak has nukes, india to be a industrial hub pak has nukes, india is conventionally more powerful pak has nukes.

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Actually Nukes were Acquired to Avoid any future Bloody Conventional War so No matter how much conventional Weapons India acquire they can never offset Pakistani Nuclear Capacity with latest Delivery mechanism.
What ever Possible Conventional weapons available to India today cannot Pacify the Pakistani Nuclear Capable Submarines, Silos, Mobile Launch Platforms and Nuclear strike capable jets
So basically Indian Defense Growth is aimed for export market and power projection as a regional power. But India can never overpower Pakistan for an Invasion now. Thats a reality. And Indian Establishment also knows it as well. Sadly Common Indian and Pakistan Blow many sorts of drums to Satisfy there own Nationalistic Egoes, Realities are very different.
And Quite frankly there is no need to go to war and destroy each other country as well.
So cheers. If Soviet Union vs USA and South Korea VS North Korea can survive without going to war. Pakistan and India can surely Go Along nicely.

Actually Nukes were Acquired to Avoid any future Bloody Conventional War so No matter how much conventional Weapons India acquire they can never offset Pakistani Nuclear Capacity with latest Delivery mechanism.

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Over-implication, incredible oversimplification of such a complicated , convoluted topic.
Nuclear weapons cannot eliminate war, it never did and never will. And this fact was proved to us by non other than the hero of Pakistan, Musharraf with his Kargil campaign. In all honesty, this proved to the IA the possibility of war under a nuclear overhang. This idea was yours, but now has been entrenched within and studied with extreme depth by the IA.

But even over that, the IA has been practicing for war in a nuclear battlefield since 1980s. The planning has focused on reducing the density of forces in any area to reduce the impact of a TNW strike. This alone shows that the IA is willing to take a nuke strike and still keep fighting. Furthermore, all IA mechanized and armored regiments are fully mobile through a NBC contaminated battlefield.

In short the willingness of the IA to fight under a nuclear overhang or if heaven forbid a TNW strike is still very strong. This is similar to the USSR plans, wherein the forces were expected to fight a war with tac-nukes.

You might speak about the hesitation in the political system in India to fight such a war, but as long as the generals do not think the war as an impossible option, the possibility of war will always exist.