Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

Stealth said:

IMO because of its length ...more easily to target comparatively F22

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May be, may be not. We don't really know.

B2 stealth bomber is larger but because of its shape and stealth coating it is pratically undetectable. Even the non-stealth B-1B Lancer bomber has a smaller radar signature (10m sq ) than early generation flankers (14m sq) because of its shape.

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Henri K.

J-20 engine

ChineseTiger1986 said:

J-20 engine

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Which engine is it using?

CrazyPaki said:

Which engine is it using?

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WS-10G

Looking good! Would love to see the J-20 training with the Russian T-50.

Beast said:

As for propulsion, China has make significant.progress and days of unpower issue is over. Look at WZ-10 attack helo coming out in number. And how many Type052D is being produce if engine is a problem still plague the warship?

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Doesn't take a miracle engine to power a destroyer, it's far from a speedboat race. All Japanese warships built during the war did 35+ knots, didn't help them a bit against F6fs.
Sure China had made progresses, some in critical fields, but that is far from demonstrating they had "caught up" , which is what had been implied. Like you said, they are fielding WZ-10, not Apache.

China isn't happy with their powerplants. That gap is everywhere. Sometimes it meant very little, ie. LM2500 vs QC-280. Sometimes it makes a world of difference - 1,000KW turboshaft of Z-10 vs the GE on Apache putting out 50% more. Had they the right turbofan, J-10B would be very close to EFA and there probably wouldn't had been a J-20 program, but reality is J-10B isn't quite as formidable as F-16C/D, yet.

BRASSNAUTILUS said:

Doesn't take a miracle engine to power a destroyer, it's far from a speedboat race. All Japanese warships built during the war did 35+ knots, didn't help them a bit against F6fs.
Sure China had made progresses, some in critical fields, but that is far from demonstrating they had "caught up" , which is what had been implied. Like you said, they are fielding WZ-10, not Apache.

China isn't happy with their powerplants. That gap is everywhere. Sometimes it meant very little, ie. LM2500 vs QC-280. Sometimes it makes a world of difference - 1,000KW turboshaft of Z-10 vs the GE on Apache putting out 50% more. Had they the right turbofan, J-10B would be very close to EFA and there probably wouldn't had been a J-20 program, but reality is J-10B isn't quite as formidable as F-16C/D, yet.

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Different countries , different needs. Let me ask you how many countries can produced 1000kw turboshaft? Why don't you go and put down the Eurotiger helo which uses also a similar 1000kw turboshaft and since like no one critise western europe lacking in propulsion advancement? WZ-10 is much smaller so that more can be pack and airflow by Y-20 plane for future global rapid development plan. I do not forsee PLA will need a apache attack helo in future.

QC-280 is perfect for our mass production destroyer Type 052D, and the future cruiser 055 will also used QC-280 to power it. This demonstrate the engine propulsion is perfect for our need. Its more of producing what suit us rather than blind follow of what American have.

@cirr, what does it say?

Bilal. said:

@cirr, what does it say?

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Seems to be 2 poems, the first one written by the CEO of AVIC group, the second one by someone else, both are published in CAN News the official newpaper of aviation in China.

I can't clearly understand everything as I'm not good in chinese, but it should say that the program J-20 is going well, and it might have a naval version of J-20.

Henri K.

ChineseTiger1986 said:

J-20 engine

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in 2016 J-20 will be equipped with F-22 alike 2 dimensional thrust vectoring engine nozzles, ``

and it will end all speculations on when, how and what engine will be used on J-20````its WS-15 with 2 dimensional TV nozzles

p.s WS-13 will be in mass production in 2016 too``