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Washington – The U.S. Navy is taking a hard look at upgrading its future frigates to protect other ships from anti-air threats in addition to defending against undersea and surface enemies. The move would be a significant enhancement in the effort to develop a frigate from existing littoral combat ship (LCS) designs.

A study group called the Requirement Evaluation Team (RET) has been formed to examine how to add a local air defense capability to the frigates to protect Combat Logistics Force ships – the supply and support ships that bring fuel, ammunition, spare parts and food to warships at sea. The frigate design as currently envisioned is armed with anti-missile and anti-aircraft missiles, but only to protect itself.

The goal, according to a draft document, is – at a minimum – to double the loadout of Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM) Block 2 from 8 to 16 or incorporate a Mark 41 vertical launch system with at least 8 Standard SM-2 missiles. The SM-2 is one of the primary anti-air weapons carried by the fleet’s Aegis destroyers and cruises.

SM-2 would require a more capable command and control system, and the RET is considering the addition of a variant of the new Enterprise Air Surveillance Radar under development by Raytheon for Ford-class aircraft carriers and big-deck amphibious ships. The ship would also have the Cooperative Engagement Capability, a high-quality networking system that ties together sensors and weapons carried on multiple ships, aircraft or shore installations into an integrated fire control system.

Taken together, the enhanced anti-air capabilities would change the Navy designation for the ships from FF, meaning frigate, to FFG – guided missile frigates able to provide area air defense.

“We see an opportunity to increase our AAW [anti-air warfare] capability – which falls under the category of lethality – within a reasonable trade space for our future frigate,” Sean Stackley, acting secretary of the Navy, told Defense News April 5.

“We think we have a good solid baseline in the requirements document” developed for the frigate, he said, “but we are looking at that lethality aspect, which is the AAW component. We’re looking at further increases to survivability, and we’re looking at endurance, pushing the envelope. And as always we’re going to balance that against technical risk and cost. We’re going to do this in a competitive environment.”

Both builders of the littoral combat ship, Lockheed Martin and Austal USA, have developed frigate variants of their LCS designs in anticipation of the Navy issuing a formal request for proposal, which had been expected in the fall. The switch from an FF to an FFG design would likely involve significant redesign of each company’s frigate proposal, which could push back the RFP.

“I don’t want to get pinned down on a date” to issue the RFP, Stackley said. “Obviously we want to get through the requirements first. But we want to get it out this fiscal year,” which ends Sept. 30.

The FFG, according to the draft document, would also have enhanced survivability characteristics “to a level commensurate with the FFG 7 class” – referring to the Oliver Hazard Perry guided missile frigates developed in the 1970s that joined the fleet throughout the 1970s and 1980s. The last of those ships was decommissioned in 2015.

A number of naval strategists, particularly a group of Republican navalists associated with the 2012 presidential campaign of Mitt Romney, have urged the construction of a new class of frigates based on the FFG 7 design.

Enhanced survivability features of the FFG, Navy officials said, include improved shock hardening, plus propulsion separation – presumably meaning separating propulsion machinery spaces, which are next to each other in current designs. Separating the compartments improves survivability – a single hit is unlikely to disable both compartment if another compartment is between them – but also adds length and hence, cost.

Other survivability improvements could include deckhouse armor, armor for vital spaces and full propulsion shock protection features.

The proposed way ahead for the FFG, according to the draft Navy document, would be to “update existing analyses to investigate the feasibility of adding these additional capabilities into the current LCS designs, as well as explore whether other existing hull forms and design concepts might provide a better balance of capabilities at competitive cost points.”

The RET, which in addition to several Navy offices and commands includes the Joint Staff and the Pentagon’s Office of Cost Assessment and Program Evaluation, is on a fast track to provide FFG recommendations, with a target date of the end of May. As a result of the work, the date to acquire the first frigate would be pushed back from 2019 to 2020 to “allow adequate time to mature the design and thoroughly evaluate design alternatives,” according to the draft document.

The Navy, according to the draft plan, would aim for a “competitive contract award no later than fiscal 2020,” after a “full and open competition … using modifications to existing ship designs, including designs beyond the two current LCS variants.”

With the delay to 2020, another two LCSs would be procured in 2019, according to the draft document.

Stackley sought to put the effort into perspective.

“We’re looking at several things in the context of the Force Structure Assessment,” he said April 5. “What has changed over time is the threat has changed. … So we’re taking a hard look at certain capabilities and characteristics to determine whether we need to increase aspects of lethality, survivability and endurance for the frigate.”

The anti-air warfare capability, Stackley said, falls under increased lethality over the previous baseline frigate requirements for a multimission ship with anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface warfare capability.

He harkened to the report of the Small Surface Combatant Task Force, a 2014 effort that studied multiple concepts to produce a frigate rather than continue LCS production.

“At the point in time we were going through the Small Surface Combatant Task Force study, looking at all the existing frigate designs and what the tradeoffs would be associated with going beyond self-defense AAW capability, the deltas were pretty significant in terms of impact on hull, impact on costs,” Stackley said. “We’re revisiting that with a better base of knowledge, because we’ve gone through a cycle of frigate design.”

And the Navy continues to look to its LCS shipbuilders for ways to enhance the frigate. Lockheed and Austal have each conducted numerous studies to upgrade their LCS and frigate designs with more lethality and survivability.

“Industry sees that we’re serious about a frigate,” Stackley said, “so they have been getting more seriously involved, looking at what they can bring to the table in terms of capabilities.”

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-navy-considers-a-more-powerful-frigate
 
Hopefully they just build it from scratch and make a big frigate like the French made FREMM or similar to it.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-has-new-frigate-could-give-the-us-navy-19020
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Huntington Ingalls Has a New Frigate that Could Give the U.S. Navy Some Impressive Capabilities

While the U.S. Navy has opted to press forward with plans to develop its Littoral Combat Ships into frigates, the service has other options to choose from if the decision is revisited during the Trump administration. One such design was on prominent display at the Huntington Ingalls Industries booth at the Surface Navy Association conference in Crystal City, Virginia, next to the Pentagon.

The proposed HII design—called the FF4923, which is based on the U.S. Coast Guard’s National Security Cutter, would be a long-endurance patrol frigate that could potentially offer greater combat capabilities as well as range and endurance for a lower price. Company officials told me that they are building nine NSC vessels for the Coast Guard and a Navy variant would be a relatively quick conversion.

The proposed HII frigate—which the company is primarily gearing toward the export market—is a 4,675 metric ton design that is 418-feet long and a beam of 54-feet. The vessel would have a crew size of 121 sailors and would have a range of more than 8,000 nautical miles or more than 60 days. Power would come from a pair of 9,655shp diesels and 30,565shp gas turbine—giving the ship a top speed of just above 28 knots. HII says it could increase the speed to more than 30 knots, but suggested that an incrementally greater sprint speed is not worth the additional cost—especially for the patrol mission.

In terms of sensors and weapons, the HII FF4923 would be well furnished. It would include a 3D rotating phased array radar, an EO/IR sensor, passive ECM, hull-mounted sonar and towed-array or variable depth sonar. It would be armed with a Mk-41 vertical launch system with 16 cells capable of carrying the Standard SM-2 and RIM-162 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile. It would also be equipped with ASROC anti-submarine rockets, eight Harpoon anti-ship missiles, a single triple torpedo launcher and a 76mm gun. HII officials said that their frigate design could be a directly replacement for the now retired Oliver Hazard Perry-class guided-missile frigate that was mainstay of the Navy’s fleet for decades.

For ship self-defense, the FF4923 would be equipped with the Raytheon SeaRAM close in defense systems as well as two remotely controlled and four manually operated .50 caliber machine guns. It would also be equipped with anti-missile and anti-torpedo defenses. In addition to the ship’s own capabilities, the FF4923 would have the ability to carry a MH-60R Seahawk helicopter and two unmanned aerial vehicles. It would also be able to launch and recover a 7m rigid-hull inflatable boat.

Altogether, the FF4923 is a formidable design—which will see service in a foreign navy if not our own. HII officials said that the design is affordable mostly because the Coast Guard design had so much additional unused space, weight and power available. Perhaps, with any luck, HII might be able to persuade the U.S. Navy to buy a few.



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What good are 8 Standard SM-2 missiles (they would require installation of a radar illuminator of sufficient size to be able to maximize effective missile range). By comparison, in the same 8-cell Mk41, you could have 32 active radar homing ESSM Block 2.

@Oldman1: could you please change the font of your post to normal (size 4, not bold)?
 
The Nansen was intended from the start to use quadpacked semi-active radar homing ESSM block one. 16 cells equates to 64 ESSM. Which is a nice load out. Our Dutch LFCs of the Zeven Provincien class have 32 SM2 plus 32 ESSM. The German F124 has 24 SM2 and 32 ESSM. The Danish Ivar Huitfeldt has 32 SM2 plus 24 ESSM. Clearly, the Norwegeans have opted for a similar number, if using only a single missile type. Looking at the Nansen class, I think they could well have space/weight reserved for 4x 8-cell mk 41, like their larger cousins, the Spanish F100 Alvaro de Bazan Class Frigate. If not, there is plenty of room on this ship to add stand-alone MK41 Single Cell Launchers distributed around the ship e.g. on the deck forward of the ship boats (RIBs), and on the deck forward and rearward of the main stack.

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The US choice might be understandable if those 8 cells were multi-role active-radar homing SM6s (adds not just long range AAW but very long range antiship as well as BMD potential) Still, with multirole missile too, there would be a case for more missiles.

Another issue is USN Coperative Engagement Capability and NIFC-CA, which basically uncouples sensor and shooter to include a variety of platforms (so its just more SM2 in the fleet, not better individual ship protection)
https://news.usni.org/2016/06/22/nifcca-expands-sm6-f35
http://www.acq.osd.mil/se/webinars/2013_11_14-sosecie-mcconnell-brief.pdf

Still, adding 1x 8-cell mk41, it's best used with ESSM block 2 or other quadpacket missiles (using Extensible Launcher System > RAM block 2, Nulka decoy, NLOS-NS and more)
 
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Should include a total of 64 cells, 32 in front and 32 in the rear.
 
why not bought off the shelf design, cutting corner in research and development times along with funds. FREMM like design or even Alvaro de Bazan is sufficient enough for US frigates ranks
 
Should include a total of 64 cells, 32 in front and 32 in the rear.
You're making a frigate into a destroyer: not going to happen. LCS frigates has at best a pair of 8-cell Mk41 backed by SeaRAM. Not a whole lot different in the Litton Ingalls NSC-based patrol frigate(s).
 
What good are 8 Standard SM-2 missiles (they would require installation of a radar illuminator of sufficient size to be able to maximize effective missile range). By comparison, in the same 8-cell Mk41, you could have 32 active radar homing ESSM Block 2.

@Oldman1: could you please change the font of your post to normal (size 4, not bold)?
you are american military layman here, can you tell me how many of these ships US navy will buy ? and now what will happen to LCSs ?
 
you are american military layman here, can you tell me how many of these ships US navy will buy ? and now what will happen to LCSs ?
American, military layman? Assumptions, people!

The Navy announced that the Small Surface Combatant (SSC) - up-gunned LCS of both varieties - will be reclassified as a frigate, since the requirements of the SSCTF was to upgrade the ships with frigate-like capabilities. Hull designations will be changed from LCS to FF; existing LCSs back-fitted with modifications may also earn the FF label.

First 24 ships would retain the basic design principles of the LCS program, with upgrades where needed. This group would be considered "Block 0" and also retain the "LCS" designation, for the time being. Ships 25 through 32, "Block 1" would include significant upgrades and design changes, inline with the intended capabilities of the last 20 ships of the total 52-ship procurement, these being the new "Frigate" class.

Planned procurement of LCS and FF ships is 40 total (down from 52)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship#Small_Surface_Combatant_.28SSC.29
 
You're making a frigate into a destroyer: not going to happen. LCS frigates has at best a pair of 8-cell Mk41 backed by SeaRAM. Not a whole lot different in the Litton Ingalls NSC-based patrol frigate(s).

Or turn it into a super frigate. Heavily armed for its size. Back then the old days of the super frigate that could overwhelmed most ships of its size. Course these days you have people looking at other countries with frigates that are almost as big as destroyers and wonder if they should make LCS more heavily armed. Wouldn't surprise me if they see in the near future of more heavily armed frigates and follow that doctrine.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...lan-turn-the-littoral-combat-ship-super-19076

The Navy is considering at least three over-the-horizon missile weapons for its Littoral Combat Ship -- Harpoon, Naval Strike Missile, Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile and an Extended Range Griffin Missile.


The Navy will soon launch a formal industry competition to acquire a new, over-the-horizon offensive attack missile for its surface fleet as a way to increase the striking range of weapons for Littoral Combat Ships, Frigates and possibly other vessels -- to better prepare the service for near-peer warfare on the open seas.


Distributed Lethality:

The Navy's distributed lethality strategy involves numerous initiatives to better arm its fleet with offensive and defensive weapons, maintain a technological advantage over adversaries, such as the fast-growing Russian and Chinese navies, and strengthen its "blue water" combat abilities against potential near-peer rivals, among other things.

Arming the Littoral Combat Ship, and its more survivable and lethal variant, the Frigate, is designed to better equip the LCS for shallow and open water combat against a wider range of potential adversaries, such as enemy surface ships, drones, helicopters, small boats and maneuvering attack craft, at beyond-the-horizon ranges.

The LCS is already equipped with 30mm and 57mm guns to destroy closer-in enemy targets such as swarms of small boats and the Navy plans to deploy a maritime variant of the HELLFIRE Missile aboard the ship by next year to destroy approaching enemy targets from "within the horizon"

The development of these LCS-launched over-the-horizon missiles entirely consistent with the Navy’s emerging “distributed lethality” strategy which seeks to better arm the fleet with long-range precision offensive and defensive fire power.

Part of the rationale to move back toward open or “blue water” combat capability against near peer competitors emphasized during the Cold War. While the strategic and tactical capability never disappeared, it was emphasized less during the last 10-plus years of ground wars wherein the Navy focused on counter-terrorism, counter-piracy and things like Visit Board Search and Seizure. These missions are, of course, still important, however the Navy seeks to substantially increases its offensive “lethality” in order to deter or be effective against emerging high-tech adversaries.



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Russia's new frigate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Gorshkov-class_frigate
Armament:
  • 1 × 130mm Amethyst/Arsenal A-192M naval gun with rate of fire of 45 rds per minute [7]
  • 16 (2 × 8) UKSK VLS cells fitted with P-800 Oniks (SS-N-26) and/or Kalibr missile system (SS-N-27)
  • 32 (4 × 8) Redut VLS cells housing 9M96, 9M96M, 9M96D/9M96DM(M2) family of missiles and/or quad-packed 9M100 short range missiles
  • 2 × Palash CIWS
  • 2 × 4 330mm torpedo tubes for Paket-NK anti-torpedo/anti-submarine torpedoes
  • 2 × 14.5mm MTPU pedestal machine guns
China's frigate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate
  • 1 × 32-cell VLS
  • 2 × 4 C-803 anti-ship / land attack cruise missiles
  • 1 × PJ26 76 mm dual purpose gun
  • 2 × Type 730 7-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns or Type 1130
  • 2 × 3 324mm YU-7 ASW torpedo launchers
  • 2 × 6 Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launcher (36 rockets carried)
  • 2 × Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers
 
American, military layman? Assumptions, people!

The Navy announced that the Small Surface Combatant (SSC) - up-gunned LCS of both varieties - will be reclassified as a frigate, since the requirements of the SSCTF was to upgrade the ships with frigate-like capabilities. Hull designations will be changed from LCS to FF; existing LCSs back-fitted with modifications may also earn the FF label.

First 24 ships would retain the basic design principles of the LCS program, with upgrades where needed. This group would be considered "Block 0" and also retain the "LCS" designation, for the time being. Ships 25 through 32, "Block 1" would include significant upgrades and design changes, inline with the intended capabilities of the last 20 ships of the total 52-ship procurement, these being the new "Frigate" class.

Planned procurement of LCS and FF ships is 40 total (down from 52)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship#Small_Surface_Combatant_.28SSC.29
Or turn it into a super frigate. Heavily armed for its size. Back then the old days of the super frigate that could overwhelmed most ships of its size. Course these days you have people looking at other countries with frigates that are almost as big as destroyers and wonder if they should make LCS more heavily armed. Wouldn't surprise me if they see in the near future of more heavily armed frigates and follow that doctrine.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...lan-turn-the-littoral-combat-ship-super-19076

The Navy is considering at least three over-the-horizon missile weapons for its Littoral Combat Ship -- Harpoon, Naval Strike Missile, Long-Range Anti-Ship Missile and an Extended Range Griffin Missile.


The Navy will soon launch a formal industry competition to acquire a new, over-the-horizon offensive attack missile for its surface fleet as a way to increase the striking range of weapons for Littoral Combat Ships, Frigates and possibly other vessels -- to better prepare the service for near-peer warfare on the open seas.


Distributed Lethality:

The Navy's distributed lethality strategy involves numerous initiatives to better arm its fleet with offensive and defensive weapons, maintain a technological advantage over adversaries, such as the fast-growing Russian and Chinese navies, and strengthen its "blue water" combat abilities against potential near-peer rivals, among other things.

Arming the Littoral Combat Ship, and its more survivable and lethal variant, the Frigate, is designed to better equip the LCS for shallow and open water combat against a wider range of potential adversaries, such as enemy surface ships, drones, helicopters, small boats and maneuvering attack craft, at beyond-the-horizon ranges.

The LCS is already equipped with 30mm and 57mm guns to destroy closer-in enemy targets such as swarms of small boats and the Navy plans to deploy a maritime variant of the HELLFIRE Missile aboard the ship by next year to destroy approaching enemy targets from "within the horizon"

The development of these LCS-launched over-the-horizon missiles entirely consistent with the Navy’s emerging “distributed lethality” strategy which seeks to better arm the fleet with long-range precision offensive and defensive fire power.

Part of the rationale to move back toward open or “blue water” combat capability against near peer competitors emphasized during the Cold War. While the strategic and tactical capability never disappeared, it was emphasized less during the last 10-plus years of ground wars wherein the Navy focused on counter-terrorism, counter-piracy and things like Visit Board Search and Seizure. These missions are, of course, still important, however the Navy seeks to substantially increases its offensive “lethality” in order to deter or be effective against emerging high-tech adversaries.



USS_Constitution_v_HMS_Guerriere-1-e1471629603657.jpg


Russia's new frigate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Gorshkov-class_frigate
Armament:
  • 1 × 130mm Amethyst/Arsenal A-192M naval gun with rate of fire of 45 rds per minute [7]
  • 16 (2 × 8) UKSK VLS cells fitted with P-800 Oniks (SS-N-26) and/or Kalibr missile system (SS-N-27)
  • 32 (4 × 8) Redut VLS cells housing 9M96, 9M96M, 9M96D/9M96DM(M2) family of missiles and/or quad-packed 9M100 short range missiles
  • 2 × Palash CIWS
  • 2 × 4 330mm torpedo tubes for Paket-NK anti-torpedo/anti-submarine torpedoes
  • 2 × 14.5mm MTPU pedestal machine guns
China's frigate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate
  • 1 × 32-cell VLS
  • 2 × 4 C-803 anti-ship / land attack cruise missiles
  • 1 × PJ26 76 mm dual purpose gun
  • 2 × Type 730 7-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns or Type 1130
  • 2 × 3 324mm YU-7 ASW torpedo launchers
  • 2 × 6 Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launcher (36 rockets carried)
  • 2 × Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers

Austral have rolled out a optional 16 x Mk41 on top of 2 x 8 Anti-ship Missile Launcher version of Austral Frigate based on LCS-2 design

SAS 2017: Austal Unveils Updated LCS Frigate Design with 16x Anti-Ship Missiles

At the Navy League’s Sea-Air-Space 2017 exposition currently held near Washington D.C., Austal USA rolled out an updated LCS Frigate design called the "Austal Frigate". The main modifications consist in a slightly shortened flight deck in order to fit anti-ship missile launchers and a variable depth sonar in order to add capabilities to the ship's aft.

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The new Austal Frigate features a redesigned stern to add capabilities to the ship's aft.


According to Austal USA, the Austal Frigate possesses increased lethality and high-speed shallow draft multi-mission combatant capabilities on a seaframe nearly identical to the Independence-class Littoral Combat Ship. This ship's ability to meet and exceed current US Navy requirements makes it one of the most cost-effective, maneuverable and flexible ships in the fleet.

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The new Austal Frigate features a redesigned stern to add capabilities to the ship's aft.


Thanks to the extra space at the stern, there are now 8x over the horizon (OTH) anti-ship missiles in additition to the 8x launchers fitted forward, for a total of 16x anti-ship missiles. An Austal representative explained to Navy Recognition that the increased number of missiles exceeds the minimum requirement expressed by the US Navy, but is in line with the distributed lethality concept and doesn't need additional development.

The new stern space is also fitted with a variable depth sonar and its handling system as well as a towed array.

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From left to right: 8x OTH missiles, CEROS 200 fire control radar, 3D radar,
Mk41 VLS, NULKA decoy launchers, MSI Defence 30mm RWS, SEWIP antenna, SeaRAM


The new Austal Frigate design features optional Mk41 VLS (16 cells) in addition to the SeaRAM launcher.

Austal insists on the fact that the seaframe from the maindeck down is virtually identical to the existing LCS design and retains its qualities in terms of performance and affordability.

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The new Austal Frigate scale model at Sea Air Space 2017


Austal Frigate specifications:
Length: 419 ft
Beam: 104 ft
Draft: 15 ft
Full load displacement: Approx. 3,500 Tons
Speed: More than 32 knots
Range: More than 4,300 nm @ 12 kts
Berthing: 130
Mission bay size: 7,000 square ft
Watercraft operations: 2x 7 meters RHIBS. Launch and recovery up to sea state 3
Flight operations: 1x H-60, up to sea state 5
Hangar:1x H-60 and 1x MQ-8C
Sensors: 3D search radar, 2x navigation radars, EO/IR fire control optics, variable depth sonar, multi-function towed array, electronic surveillance
Processing systems: COMBATSS 21 CMS, AN/SQQ-89 undersea warfare system, integrated bridge control system, automated machinery and damage control systems
Armament: SeaRAM, Mk110 57mm gun, 6x .50 cal guns, NULKA, 16x OTH missiles, 2x 25/30mm cannons, Helllfire AGM-114 missiles, torpedo countermeasures, 2x Mk41 launchers
Propulsion: 2x GE LM2500 gas turbines, 2x MTU 20V8000 diesel engines, 4x Wartsila steerabe, reversing waterjets.

http://navyrecognition.com/index.ph...igate-design-with-16x-anti-ship-missiles.html
 
... and that still leave the forward 'hatch' free for variable payload (e.g. more SSMs, or another Mk41)

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Compare original
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Pop-up NSM launchers
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Mk41 8-cell > ESSM or SM2 or LRASM or VL-ASROC
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... and that still leave the forward 'hatch' free for variable payload (e.g. more SSMs, or another Mk41)

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Compare original
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Pop-up NSM launchers
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Mk41 8-cell > ESSM or SM2 or LRASM or VL-ASROC
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Think they use the mission paylod to suit the MK-41 launcher, no idea where they will put it otherwise..
 
Think they use the mission paylod to suit the MK-41 launcher, no idea where they will put it otherwise..
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There are 2 Mk41 8-cell VLS on this model, one on each side just behind the bridgewing. This is where the original Independence LCSs have a Mk46 30mm gun mount.

An upgraded Independence-Class LCS at SAS-2015 expo, with twin quad-launchers for Harpoon missiles and what appear to be vertical launch systems on the superstructure, just forward of the superstructure mounted cannons. Weapons/Sensors: 76mm (looks like), 2x4 Harpoon, 2 8-cell VLS, 2x 30mm cannon, 2x2 twinbarrel Nulka, Slq-32 ECM, SeaRAM, helicopter.
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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/sas-2015-integration-focus-us-frigate-development/

Independence-class based SSC (aka frigate) at SAS 2017
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Besides the Mk110 57mm cannon forward, there appear to be a pair of deck mounted HMGs, 2x4 Harpoon (ER?) forward, a Saab Ceros 200 radar and optronic tracking/illuminating/fire control director atop the bridge, a pair of deck mounted HMGs, a pair of 8-cell Mk 41, 4x twin barrel Nulka decoy launchers, a 25mm gun (mk38 mod 3? possibly laser added?), SLQ32 ECM, SeaRAM CIWS, 1x ASW/ASuW helicopter (MH60R), 2x4 Harpoon (ER?), towed array sonar and a pair of deck mounted HMGs.

NOT ANY visible on board ASW weapons e.g. tubes for 324mm torpedoes > ASW's action solely by the helicopter from reduced size helicopter deck (i.e. adoption of fantail). Additional ship boats.

That leaves the forward payload bay free (for additional deckmounted SSM racks, or a single 8-cell Mk41)

Mk41 could carry ESSM (block 1 is semi-active radar homing and needs the Saab Ceros 200 for target illumination, but block 2 will be active radar homing), Standard missile (semi-active SM2 or active SM6), VL ASROC, Extensible Launcher System (adjustable launch container packing e.g. quad Nulka, quad Rim116 RAM blk 2, or other missiles) and ... the long range LRASM AShM (and, if a land-attack version thereof is approved, land attack missiles). So, this leaves flexibility to augment AAW, ASuW and ASW as needed.

Austal’s proposal for an LCS frigate. Note missile firing from a Vertical Launch System (VLS).
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Lockheed’s proposal for an LCS frigate (VLS is not standard but optional).
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What does Austal give up to fit VLS? Primarily flight deck and hangar space: Their frigate can only carry one Sea Hawk helicopter and one Fire Scout. That’s a significant trade-off, since the aircraft play a big role in everything from spotting subs to shooting fast attack boats, clearing mines, and even decoying incoming missiles away from the ship. See discussion at: http://breakingdefense.com/2017/04/austal-pushes-big-missiles-for-small-ships-lcs-vls/


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Huntington Ingalls' proposal for the Small Surface Combatant, based on the company's National Security Cutter. Note the 16-cell vertical launch system forward of the bridge and the pair of quad-launchers for Harpoon missiles at the fantail. 76mm? This likely has ASW triple tubes at the fantail. Seen at SAS 2017

But if you consider such a 4,600 ton ship , why not also consider e.g. a modification of the 5,300 ton Nansen FFG (Spanish built, with AEGIS and AN/SPY-1F). The original "National Patrol Frigate" concept had an AN/SPY-1F air-defense radar but by 2012 the Patrol Frigate PF4921 was being shown with an Australian CEAFAR radar. The original NCS for the USCG cost $735m per unit. The Nansen class (5 ships) cost about USD 2.6 billion i.e. USD 520 per unit....

Why not also consider other foreign proposals? Spain's F110 frigate will replace Santa Maria OHPs of Spanish navy. They bid for the Australian ANZAC replacement (Sea 5000 > another F100 version, different from three F100 based AWD). A MEKO ship as proposed also for Sea 5000, or a variation of A200 should one want something smaller?
f110.png

http://www.indracompany.com/it/noti...demostrate-next-generation-radar-spanish-navy

SEA5000_CEAFAR2_CEA_Radar_Navantia_PACIFIC_2015.jpg

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...contract-for-australias-sea-5000-program.html

Meko 200AN
meko-a200an3.jpg

meko-a200alg11.jpg


Meko for Sea 5000
meko-a400.jpg

meko-a400ran.jpg

http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/euronavy/MEKO.htm

More options here:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/australia-narrows-field-for-future-frigate.427441/
 
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There are 2 Mk41 8-cell VLS on this model, one on each side just behind the bridgewing. This is where the original Independence LCSs have a Mk46 30mm gun mount.

An upgraded Independence-Class LCS at SAS-2015 expo, with twin quad-launchers for Harpoon missiles and what appear to be vertical launch systems on the superstructure, just forward of the superstructure mounted cannons. Weapons/Sensors: 76mm (looks like), 2x4 Harpoon, 2 8-cell VLS, 2x 30mm cannon, 2x2 twinbarrel Nulka, Slq-32 ECM, SeaRAM, helicopter.
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https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/sas-2015-integration-focus-us-frigate-development/

Independence-class based SSC (aka frigate) at SAS 2017
Austal_LCS_Frigate_Sea_Air_Space_2017_4.JPG

Besides the Mk110 57mm cannon forward, there appear to be a pair of deck mounted HMGs, 2x4 Harpoon (ER?) forward, a Saab Ceros 200 radar and optronic tracking/illuminating/fire control director atop the bridge, a pair of deck mounted HMGs, a pair of 8-cell Mk 41, 4x twin barrel Nulka decoy launchers, a 25mm gun (mk38 mod 3? possibly laser added?), SLQ32 ECM, SeaRAM CIWS, 1x ASW/ASuW helicopter (MH60R), 2x4 Harpoon (ER?), towed array sonar and a pair of deck mounted HMGs.

NOT ANY visible on board ASW weapons e.g. tubes for 324mm torpedoes > ASW's action solely by the helicopter from reduced size helicopter deck (i.e. adoption of fantail). Additional ship boats.

That leaves the forward payload bay free (for additional deckmounted SSM racks, or a single 8-cell Mk41)

Mk41 could carry ESSM (block 1 is semi-active radar homing and needs the Saab Ceros 200 for target illumination, but block 2 will be active radar homing), Standard missile (semi-active SM2 or active SM6), VL ASROC, Extensible Launcher System (adjustable launch container packing e.g. quad Nulka, quad Rim116 RAM blk 2, or other missiles) and ... the long range LRASM AShM (and, if a land-attack version thereof is approved, land attack missiles). So, this leaves flexibility to augment AAW, ASuW and ASW as needed.

Austal’s proposal for an LCS frigate. Note missile firing from a Vertical Launch System (VLS).
Austal-Frigate-Rendering-Sea-Air-Space-2017-1024x666.jpg


Lockheed’s proposal for an LCS frigate (VLS is not standard but optional).
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What does Austal give up to fit VLS? Primarily flight deck and hangar space: Their frigate can only carry one Sea Hawk helicopter and one Fire Scout. That’s a significant trade-off, since the aircraft play a big role in everything from spotting subs to shooting fast attack boats, clearing mines, and even decoying incoming missiles away from the ship. See discussion at: http://breakingdefense.com/2017/04/austal-pushes-big-missiles-for-small-ships-lcs-vls/


Huntington%20Ingalls%20proposal%20for%20the%20Small%20Surface%20Combatant,%20based%20on%20the%20company%27s%20Natoinal%20Security%20Cutter.%20Note%20the%2016-cell%20vertical%20launch%20system%20and%20twin%20quad-launchers%20for%20Harpoon%20missiles..JPG

Huntington Ingalls' proposal for the Small Surface Combatant, based on the company's National Security Cutter. Note the 16-cell vertical launch system forward of the bridge and the pair of quad-launchers for Harpoon missiles at the fantail. 76mm? This likely has ASW triple tubes at the fantail. Seen at SAS 2017

But if you consider such a 4,600 ton ship , why not also consider e.g. a modification of the 5,300 ton Nansen FFG (Spanish built, with AEGIS and AN/SPY-1F). The original "National Patrol Frigate" concept had an AN/SPY-1F air-defense radar but by 2012 the Patrol Frigate PF4921 was being shown with an Australian CEAFAR radar. The original NCS for the USCG cost $735m per unit. The Nansen class (5 ships) cost about USD 2.6 billion i.e. USD 520 per unit....

Why not also consider other foreign proposals? Spain's F110 frigate will replace Santa Maria OHPs of Spanish navy. They bid for the Australian ANZAC replacement (Sea 5000 > another F100 version, different from three F100 based AWD). A MEKO ship as proposed also for Sea 5000, or a variation of A200 should one want something smaller?
f110.png

http://www.indracompany.com/it/noti...demostrate-next-generation-radar-spanish-navy

SEA5000_CEAFAR2_CEA_Radar_Navantia_PACIFIC_2015.jpg

http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...contract-for-australias-sea-5000-program.html

Meko 200AN
meko-a200an3.jpg

meko-a200alg11.jpg


Meko for Sea 5000
meko-a400.jpg

meko-a400ran.jpg

http://www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/euronavy/MEKO.htm

More options here:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/australia-narrows-field-for-future-frigate.427441/

I like the MEKO 200AN design as well as the MEKO A-400 RAN.
 

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