Children of the Indus

[Joe Shearer]

I am not sure what you are implying here, whether my statistics about the populations are false or the inferences that I have drawn from them are false. Your original comment about the various 'dances' of the sub-continent uniting them came off as highly idealistic, romantic and downright hilarious. The icing on the cake was that you didn't even bother to leave an 'Indus' dance form and detail us exactly how it was related to those of the Ganges and Dravidia regions. Do their hands move in a particular direction? Or their hips sway in an identical fashion? We may never know.

Secondly, about the other thread in which I can't comment on. The Indo-Greek Kingdom proper, didn't go as eastward as to Mathura. Offshoots of it, however carried raids as far upto Mathura. It's main/original territories and the various raids carried out by it's offshoots were seperate. The capital of the Indo-Greeks under Menander the First was Sakala (Sialkot) in modern-day Punjab and regional capitals such as Taxila and Charsadda existed.

You do note in your comment the historical seperation of the Indus territories from those of the Ganges and Dravidia (South of the Vindhyas) regions by acknowledging the seperation of the Gandharans, Indo-Parthians and the Shahis from the Guptas and the other Ganges-Dravidia kingdoms however then go onto claim that implying any sort of dualism between them is absurd, without even bothering to explain why. That, according to me, is truly absurd.

Furthermore, your claim of the Harappans being of the same ethnic stock as modern-day Indians and Pakistanis apart from Pashtuns is dubious and has no base in genealogy or anthropology. About 85% or so of the Indus Valley Civilization was based in modern day Pakistan and at the time when it flourished, the Ganges and Dravida regions were still uncivilized with no culture. We do know that the Ganges and Dravida regions only got civilized in the Middle Iron Age stages (800-500 BC), when proper axes were invented to clear the forest regions and before that it was just a forested region inhabited by uncivilized tribes.

Your statement saying that no new genetic stock has entered the sub-continent from out of it (in the last 10,000 years) is where we have to draw the line, really. At this point you are just going on without providing any sources or citations for your claims, indulging in pseudo-scientific statements.

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...tNQ2n2gUvh12ev9Xg&sig2=GU68-hqZ2X3Dc_eaarKJOQ

This is the Harvard Genealogical Study of India which has taken samples from vast communities across the sub-continent and it has found two major components, the ANI (which is related to Europeans, Central Asians and Iranians) and the ASI (unique to India). The ANI component peaks in the Pakistani samples while mostly being found in North-Western Indians and the ASI peaks in South Indians while mostly being found in Central and Northern Indians. Furthermore, the admixture between these two distinctive groups is dated to 3000-500 BC, so your claim goes down the drain.

Your pretentious little answer above precisely explains why I dread going back into these systematically recurring controversies.

I joined the forum in 2009. Since then, this precise controversy has come up, as far as memory recalls, at least half-a-dozen times, perhaps more; I haven't been keeping count. The same dull and witless points occur again and again, each time put forward by someone with the air of having discovered a bright new nugget of information all by himself. Any similarity between these initiatives is not accidental; just as there are dogged doctrinaires on the Indian side, who will not listen to any argument put forward by a Pakistani, there are those same doctrinaires on the Pakistani side, etc., etc., and we have to deal with their rag tag and bobtail, which comes onto this forum to show off their bright new pieces of knowledge.

I am 66. I have earned my position through a combination of practical work and theoretical grounding. I really don't have to take this crap any longer. At least in my real-world job, I get paid (very poorly) for it.

Please go ahead and flounce around; all the points that you refer to, starting from no introduction of new genetic stock from 10,000 BC, through the ASI and ANI genealogical sub-types, through the probable ultimate place of rest of those who were residents of the IVC, the percolation of the remnants of their culture into the other systems around which a composite Indian culture was built and their own re-creation in harshly simplified form in the Indus Valley, all are available. But very frankly, I don't care whether you find out or suffer from your existing delusions. Even this explanation is not justified by the results likely to be achieved.

Ramzan Kareem.

 

[Tergon18]

clearly you dont have any idea, thr is nothing like any indus civilization that is different from ancient Indian civilization, the so called harapan like cities are found in many parts of India including in Taminnadu also

cant post the link but just google this :
Harappa-like structure, 3,000 ancient artefacts found in Tamil Nadu

same architecture, its coz of nascent archaeological skills in earlier decade which gave this falls notion of indus civilization, India as a whole is cradle of civilization and all over India cities are found with much more technical city building structures. Most of the research work on this so called indus civilization is happening in India coz almost every month we see new so called harappan structures in north or south India specially near rivers in north unlike in modern day pakistan where structures are found closer to Indian border,

and during Mahabharat period lots of reference are found of sindh province from which this term Indus, India is derived from by barbarians from east either desert dwellers of arbia/persia or europeans.
sindh was relatively one of the most weaker state in ancient India most of the big empires used to get tributaries from the king of sindh who by the way were hindus always.

Sindh province was so weak that once during hunting expedition, a few loads of soldiers from indarprasth modern day delhi defeated whole of sindh army and shaved the sindh kings head , so its self explanatory why small herds of arab barbarians and euro turk barbarians were able to plunder defeat loot rape convert modern paksitani people who by the way was weakest of hindu kingdoms of old. Only if India was under single emperor like Ashok if arabs/persian or euros attacked that time Ashok would have annihilated arabs/turks in their own land, he was so blood thirsty

I dont think I can paste video right now but there was a video of Imran Khan I think he is a politician now, where he says there was not a single invading army that was stopped in modern day pakistan, all invaders used to plunder modern day pakistani ppl and only were stopped near delhi. Its too hard for swallow but modern day pakistanis were weakest hindus, I feel sad also coz we modern day Indian hindus due to our own petty conflicts couldnt save you from barbarians. If United you my friend would be living in a powerful country like India.

First of all, no such civilizations such as the Indus Valley Civilization have been found throughout India. The only place where that Tamil Nadu 'structure' has been reported is in Hindu or Indian website. No major archaelogist ot historian has said anything about it and it hasnt even been widely/properly reported and it's name doesnt appear in any historical discussion. Make of that what you will.
The IVC sites, Mohenjodaro and Harappa arent on the border with India, look at a map, they are pretty much in Central Pakistan.

Here we are, having a discussion about historical facts, studies and statistics and you come up with your average Hindootva rant. Are you taking the Mahabharata as an actual historic document? 'Raped by barbarians?' Also, its not as if the Mughals/Turkic were stopped at Delhi either, they ruled you guys for almost a 1000 years. And then going on to tell some old wives' tale or some other nonsense about Sindh.
All your claims are stupid and trollworthy and most definitely do not belong in this thread.

@Bharat Muslim @Kaptaan @Zibago @Winchester @PAKISTANFOREVER
This thread is seriously getting flooded by Hindootva trolls

 

[Tergon18]

lol when ever you say 1000 years its the modern day pakistani people, modern India as a whole was never under this much muslim rule, Maratha empire almost ruled India full before British came, Sikh got even afganistan so stop fooling yourself with this 1000 years theory, if ever sm1 was enslaved, raped, coverted it was modern day pakistanis.
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remember this 1000 years pakistani were raped, converted not modern day Indians, check the maratha empire map, before british Hindus took back atleast modern day India.
And regarding so called Indus civilization, check where are most archaeological finds are taking place not in pakistan, wat the hell is central pakistan, pakistan is what 300/400 kms in width in middle lol, central pakistan.

First of all, the Marathas didn't actually 'rule' over Punjab, they had been invited by the governor of Punjab, Adina Beg Khan, to help him defeat the invading Durranis of Afghanistan which they did. After that, Punjab was left to him however he had to pay a monthly indemnity to the Marathas and they withdrew. You can easily verify this from any historical book etc. Even that only lasted for hardly 10 or 20 years before they got defeated in the Third Battle of Panipat by the Durranis. When the British came to India, the Marathas didn't even rule over present day Pakistan territories and overall their own empire was very shortlived.

Secondly, the Sikhs didn't rule over modern-day Afghanistan, but over Peshawar, Charsadda etc. areas. Ranjit Singh was a Punjabi Jatt from Gujranwala and more of his type of people (the Punjabis) are found in Pakistan rather than India. Punjabis form only 2% of Indians. And many Punjabi Muslim zamindars were allied with him as well. His chief minister was a Punjabi Muslim, Fakir Azizuddin.

And modern day India has been ruled by the Muslims for almost a 1000 years, and even the southernmost parts were ruled by Sultan Fateh Ali Tipu (Tipu Sultan) thereby making all of India under Muslim rule.

The main sites of the Indus Valley Civilization are in Pakistan and therefore the name the Indus Valley Civilization.

The second part of your comment is where you really just go bonkers. I don't know what is up with your rape fantasies and weird imageries of such orgies, but please take that somewhere else. This isn't the YouTube comments box where you troll like a deluded Hindootva, we were having an actual discussion with historical facts, statistics and studies. Look at the title of the thread. You are basically derailing it here and all your comments are irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

 

[Tergon18]

Like I told you in earlier posts, Indus vally civilization is nothing but an extension of Indian civilization, modern day pakistanis has no claim on this, Like Aryan theory, Indus civilization is a dud, which britishers started when they realized
to rule India they have to divide it ideologially.

So they started with this indus/harappan civilization which were invaded by so called aryans and dravids were pushed back.
Indian archaeological studies are finding faults in all these claims either aryan invasion theory of this indus vally invasion theory.
These so called cities that we are finding in rajyastahan haryana of so called indus valley are left or abandoned by ancient Indians after Sarswati river dried up, no connection with Indus river actually.
Thats why same city architecture is found even in southern India.

Hahaha ok, nice.

@Kaptaan

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

You here? Your exams over or what? Where do you study? J&K or outside that state?

2nd paper Done

Distance Education . J & K

 

[Bharat Muslim]

First of all, no such civilizations such as the Indus Valley Civilization have been found throughout India. The only place where that Tamil Nadu 'structure' has been reported is in Hindu or Indian website. No major archaelogist ot historian has said anything about it and it hasnt even been widely/properly reported and it's name doesnt appear in any historical discussion. Make of that what you will.
The IVC sites, Mohenjodaro and Harappa arent on the border with India, look at a map, they are pretty much in Central Pakistan.

Here we are, having a discussion about historical facts, studies and statistics and you come up with your average Hindootva rant. Are you taking the Mahabharata as an actual historic document? 'Raped by barbarians?' Also, its not as if the Mughals/Turkic were stopped at Delhi either, they ruled you guys for almost a 1000 years. And then going on to tell some old wives' tale or some other nonsense about Sindh.
All your claims are stupid and trollworthy and most definitely do not belong in this thread.

@Bharat Muslim @Kaptaan @Zibago @Winchester @PAKISTANFOREVER
This thread is seriously getting flooded by Hindootva trolls

 

[Bharat Muslim]

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Okay.

When are they going to release the vernacular translation of the two books?

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[Bharat Muslim]

This thread is dead.

 

[Tergon18]

About 99% of languages spoken in Pakistan are Indo-Iranian (sub-branches: 75% Indo-Aryan and 24% Iranian), a branch of Indo-European family of languages. All languages of Pakistan are written in the Perso-Arabic script, with significant vocabulary derived from Arabic and Persian. Punjabi, Seraiki, Sindhi, Pashto, Urdu, Balochi, Kashmiri, etc. are the languages spoken in Pakistan.

About 69% of languages spoken in India are Indo-Iranian (sub-branch: Indo-Aryan), 26% are Dravidian, and 5% are Sino-Tibetan and Austro-Asiatic, all unrelated/distinct family of languages. Most languages in India are written in Brahmi- derived scripts such as Devangari, Gurmukhi, Tamil, etc. Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Assamese, Punjabi, Naga, and many others are the mother-tongue languages spoken in each of India's states.

As you can see both countries have distinct linguistic identities. Even in the case of Punjabi, while it is the mother-tongue of a majority in Pakistan, it represents the mother-tongue of only 2% Indians. Besides, Pakistani Punjabi (Western Punjabi) is distinct in its vocabulary/dialect and writing script when compared to Indian Punjabi (Eastern Punjabi). Another thing to keep in mind is that Indian Punjabi is mostly spoken by Sikhs who consider themselves distinct from the rest of Indians and had been fighting for independence. In the case of Urdu/Hindi, while Hindi is the mother- tongue of a majority in India, Urdu is the mother-tongue of only 8% Pakistanis. Besides, they both are distinct languages, Urdu has a writing script and strong vocabulary derived from Arabic and Persian, whereas Hindi has strong vocabulary derived from Sanskrit and is written in Devangari script. Most Pakistanis can understand English and watch American/Brit movies but that does not make them British/American, same is the case with Hindi.

Race/genetics:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE#gid=0

This is the Harappa DNA Project, a genealogical study, using samples from all over South Asia and the Middle East which has shown the different genetics of Pakistanis and Indians. Pakistanis (Punjabis, Pashtuns, Sindhis, Balochs) cosistently show a majority Gedrosian Baloch (which doesnt mean modern Baloch ancestry, its an Iranic clade) component and lesser South Indian while Indians (Biharis, Bengalis, Rajasthanis,Malyalis, Gujratis, Tamils etc.) show a higher South Indian (ASI) component and lower Gedrosian Baloch component.

https://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich_Lab/Welcome_files/2013_AJHG_Priya_India_Date.pdf

This is the Harvard Genealogical Study of India which shows two distinct components in populations of South Asia, ANI (related to Europeans, Central Asians and Iranians) and ASI (only found in India) and the ANI peaks in Pakistani samples and is mainly found in North-Western Indians while ASI peaks in South India and is mainly found in Central and North Indians.
Culture/Traditions:

Pakistanis have a distinct culture, traditions and customs. Shalwar kamiz is the dress commonly worn, both by men and women in Pakistan. Pakistani food is rich in meat (including beef), whereas wheat is the main staple. Pashto, Punjabi, Balochi, Sindhi, etc. music and dances are distinctly unique with their own melodies, instruments, patterns and styles. Pakistani arts in metal work, tiles, furniture, rugs, designs/paintings, literature, calligraphy, etc. are distinct and diverse. Pakistani architecture is unique with its Islamic styles. .

India's commonly worn dress is dhoti for men and sari for women. Indian food is mostly vegetarian, with wheat as the main staple in the north and west, and rice is the main staple in south and east. Hindi, Gujarati, Tamil, Bengali, etc.music and dances are distinctly unique.

Pakistanis and Indians definitely have distinct cultures of their own. Some Indian women wear shalwar kamiz, but that was introduced by the ancestors of Pakistanis. Many Pakistani food dishes are absent in Indian cuisine and vice versa, and if some dishes are shared, they were also introduced by the ancestors of Pakistanis (like naan, tikka, kabob, biryani/pulao, etc.). There is barely any Hindu architectural influence in Pakistan (Gandhara is Graeco- Buddhist and Harappan is distinct),.

Pakistan and India have a distinct history and background having been united only for 400 or so years under foreign Mughals/Turkics , and 100 years each under the Mauryans and the British.

Pakistan is geographically unique, with Indus river and its tributaries as its main water supply. It is bordered by the Hindu Kush and Sulaiman Mountain ranges in the west, Karakoram mountain range in the north, Sutlej river and Thar desert in east, and Arabian Sea in the south. The country in its present form was created by the Pakistanis themselves out of the British Raj, the Indus people themselves who are now mostly Muslims.

India is geographically unique, with Ganges river and its tributaries as its water supply in the north, and other river systems in the rest of the country. Himalayas as its northern boundary, Sutlej river and Thar desert as its western border, the jungles of northeast as its eastern border, and Indian Ocean in the south. The mountains in the central-south India are the great divide between Dravidians of the south and Indo-Aryans of the north. The country itself was created by the British, a direct descendent of the remnants of British Raj.

It is evident that India and Pakistan have their own unique geographical environments. Pakistan is located at the crossroads of South Asia, Central Asia, and the Middle East. On the other hand, India is located at the core of South Asia.

What you guys have on your side are vague reminiscence of some sort of 'unity' of the subcontinent (which is a geographical term, referring to a moving land mass just like Asia or North America), using almost romantic and nostalgic rants to justify your position. We, on the other hand, have actual maps, studies, statistics and historical evidence for our position so all your points dont even matter anyway. Using examples of Hinduism or Sanskrit names doesnt hold. It was our ancestors of the Indus who wrote the original Rig Veda here, which was heavily related to the Avestan of Iran and was the actual text on which later Ganga and Dravida Hinduism was based upon. The people of Ganga and Dravida land were nothing more than uncivilized forest tribes when the Indus Valley Civilization (85% or so in modern day Pakistan) and Rig Vedic Indo-Aryan civilization flourished in the Pakistan Region. These areas only got civilized around 800 BC when the proper axes and tools for cutting down the forests of Ganga and Dravida were invented. This is historical fact and is therefore undeniable. Religion, for most us anyway, isnt something intrinsically cultural its an actual belief in God and a way of life. It doesnt matter whether a Muslim is a European, a Chinese or an African. Culture is something that is fluid and is easily developed and molded. European civilization is based on Christian (which is foreign to Europe) architercture and influences and most of it taken from the Romans who had conquered all of Europe and spread their culture there. As for the food, most of these foods and their variations are eaten in the Middle East, Iran and upto Turkey as well. Actual facts, stats and studies always trump nostalgic, romantic Hindootva rants.

 

[Tergon18]

Ok where is the origins of Paksitani people. There may be many mix due to forcible marriages, woman abduction, rapes by the Mughals due to which many may have some traits of the invaders. But still you will have many who are converted to Islam only due to fear of atrocity.

Rajputs historically are supposed to be very brave & fearless Hindu warriors, they will never bow down in a fight. But the only weaknesses of Rajputs & many other communities in that region was safety of woman & torture of the natives with tax & always the terror of sword by the Muslim rulers. This is one of the main reasons why 90% of Rajputs converted to Islam. Another reason is Rajputs & Jats gave a very tough time to most Islamic invaders. I can give a big history of events for this. So every muslim ruler tried to exploit the only weakness to break their courage & confidence that's woman. Nothing else deterred them. They were Indians & who have even married or laid by the Invaders will still have Indian DNA in partial.

I have explained everything above & still you bring the comparison of whole of India & show your stupid percentage post. I mentioned Punjab is the Indus point of entry to rest of India. So the first influence is to that region.

Kindly tell me where is your origin & what's your bloodline. Where are Pakistanis from & I will give you ample proof of your forefathers to satisfy you.

Again, that typical Hindootva 'OMG u guyz wer liek raped by Mughalzz lol' rant . Most of the people of the Pakistani region were not converted forcibly or out of fear for their lives, but rather by the effort of the hundreds of various Sufi saints that settled in these lands. Almost every single village here has a shrine of some Sufi. Had forcible conversion taken place then all of India would have been Muslim, but that is not the case is it? Infact, the heartland of Islam and Muslim Empires in India was Delhi and the Uttar Pradesh region which maintained a heavy Hindu majority, so that should really debunk your statement.

As for the baradaries, I have already explained in great detail in a previous comment about them, go refer to it, or I would just have to copy paste that again and slap you around with some statistics.
As for 'bloodlines' and origins, I have posted two genealogical studies above which should address your question, go see them.

 

[Tergon18]

So right you are accepting you are converted by these Sufi Saints. So what were you before conversion.

And don't laugh at my mention of rape or forcible conversion. It has been the truth of Islamic people through out history & even today. It prevails in most Muslim countries & even in Pakistan. Do I need to mention ISIS.

Muslims are violent people, first they kill non-Muslims then Muslims will fight each other for supremacy who has to sit on the throne & start killing each other. Bangladesh is one similar example. Son killing father, Brother killing sibling or a relative is common for power. There is never peace where Muslims are there. This is the reason every religion has problem with Islam. And People like you are again the reasons of Hindus also hating Muslims. Sorry this may sound offending, but it's a bitter truth. If I am wrong kindly correct me.

Unless you accept Hindus as your ancestors & extend your hand of friendship & love, you will never find peace & Pakistan will only sink further. You can keep arguing by posting your adamant beliefs just to convince yourself. But you won't be able to convince the world with your story.

It's like only you are telling the truth & the rest of the world is lying.

The above is foreign source & names not an Indian story. So please go through it properly before you give your blind rant.

Understand Pakistan from this educated rational man. Kindly look at the map of India in the video.

Seeing is believing. The above are some rational people who have removed the obsession of Islamic teachings & tell truth based on facts. Kindly note these are not Indians or Hindus in the videos. Hope one day you people wake up.

This thread title says Children of Indus. So I repeat again if you say Children of Indus it means you are children of (H)indus Valley Civilization.

Now don't get worked up to ask moderators to delete this post. This is another thing the invaders have done destroy all proof of truth.

Why are you bringing ISIS and present day political conflicts into this? Please stop derailing this thread. We were having a proper discussion based upon historical facts, statistics and studies before idiots like you swarmed this thread and started going on these weird rants. You seem to be lost, as I had said to a troll earlier, this isn't the YouTube comments box please take this somewhere else. I dont think that your rant even warrants a reply since it is hilarious as it is, but I think I'll do it anyway.

'Accept your Hindu ancestors' First of all, you do realize that Hinduism isnt an ethnicity, right? What does an Ethiopian Christian have in common with a German Christian, apart from his faith? You seem to have completely ignored my previous posts and are assuming things here.

Secondly, in the video of the nice gentleman known as Tarek Fatah that you have posted, he says that he is from the land of Harappa and Mohenjodaro, and the land of the Rig Vedics. I would like to ask you that where were the ancestors of Indians (the Gangalanders and Dravidalanders) when the Indus Valley Civilization (about 85% in modern day Pakistan), flourished and when the Rig Vedic Indo-Aryans had their civilization and culture here at the Indus where the formed the basis from which your Ganga and Dravida Hinduism would be derived. I will tell you: They were nothing more than uncivilized forest people with no culture until the Middle Iron Age (around 800 BC) when axes were invented to cut the forests of India and civilize you people. The Rig Veda, which had significant monotheistc influences, had different gods than Hinduism of Ganga and Dravida (marked by the Ramayana and Mahabharata of the Ganges) which isnt a uniform religion anyway and varies heavily, the word itself invented by the British to specifically refer to mainly the particular type of deities/practices of the Gangalanders and Dravidalanders. We introduced it to you and we civilized you people, that is historically based fact.

Going on about the linguistic origins of the Indus and it's connotations is irrelevant here as well and doesnt prove anything. Again, we were having a proper discussion based on historic facts, studies and statistics, therefore your Hindootva rant is irrelevant and totallly off the topic here anyway.
Apart from that, I have addressed all your previous point made in prior comments.

@Bharat Muslim @Kaptaan @Zibago @Winchester @PAKISTANFOREVER @Max
Even though these trolls are more annoying than amusing now, still, witness the wrath of the Hindootvas, part the second

Part 3 comming soon

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So right you are accepting you are converted by these Sufi Saints. So what were you before conversion.

And don't laugh at my mention of rape or forcible conversion. It has been the truth of Islamic people through out history & even today. It prevails in most Muslim countries & even in Pakistan. Do I need to mention ISIS.

Muslims are violent people, first they kill non-Muslims then Muslims will fight each other for supremacy who has to sit on the throne & start killing each other. Bangladesh is one similar example. Son killing father, Brother killing sibling or a relative is common for power. There is never peace where Muslims are there. This is the reason every religion has problem with Islam. And People like you are again the reasons of Hindus also hating Muslims. Sorry this may sound offending, but it's a bitter truth. If I am wrong kindly correct me.

Unless you accept Hindus as your ancestors & extend your hand of friendship & love, you will never find peace & Pakistan will only sink further. You can keep arguing by posting your adamant beliefs just to convince yourself. But you won't be able to convince the world with your story.

It's like only you are telling the truth & the rest of the world is lying.

The above is foreign source & names not an Indian story. So please go through it properly before you give your blind rant.

Understand Pakistan from this educated rational man. Kindly look at the map of India in the video.

Seeing is believing. The above are some rational people who have removed the obsession of Islamic teachings & tell truth based on facts. Kindly note these are not Indians or Hindus in the videos. Hope one day you people wake up.

This thread title says Children of Indus. So I repeat again if you say Children of Indus it means you are children of (H)indus Valley Civilization.

Now don't get worked up to ask moderators to delete this post. This is another thing the invaders have done destroy all proof of truth.

If Pakistanis are descended from modern day indian Hindus then why do Pakistanis look so vastly different to modern day indians? That is something no indian can satisfactorily explain. At the end of the day it boils down to race and physical appearance.

 

[Tergon18]

If Pakistanis are descended from modern day indian Hindus then why do Pakistanis look so vastly different to modern day indians? That is something no indian can satisfactorily explain. At the end of the day it boils down to race and physical appearance.

For that, I have posted several genealogical studies but I am not basing my arguments solely on them. They are but a part of the bigger picture. We have way more evidence then simply anthropology for our argument and stance.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

For that, I have posted several genealogical studies but I am not basing my arguments solely on them. They are but a part of the bigger picture. We have way more evidence then simply anthropology for our argument and stance.

One thing I never understood is that for a people that indians hate the most, indians are always trying to convince and falsely prove that Pakistanis are the same race as them and that we look like them. When the reality is completely different. Never ever understood this bizarre behaviour.