Our Hero Is Raja Dahir Not Muhammad Bin Qasim, Haji Adeel- ANP

[Kabir Panthi]

By the way, successors of Muhammad Qasim were defeated by Rajputs. See Battle of Rajasthan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam did not establish itself in South Asia until invasions of Turks.

As regards conversions by force - apostacy from Islam is punishable by death and that law is very much on the books in Pakistan.

Also, there is the issue of shame - those who were converted by force, or those whose maternal ancestors were kidnapped by invading soldiers, may prefer not to face the shameful and brutal history. The psychological reaction would be to identify even more vehemently with the pillaging invaders.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

On one hand India want to be member of OIC and have 150 million Muslims of its own and on the other hand is active against Islamic propaganda too. Just read all Indian members comments about Islam.

 

[MastanKhan]

I heard people in Sindh also reveres Raja Dahir... Don't know how much of it is true.

Hi,

It is true. When I lived in interior sindh----that is what some of my sindhi friends stated.

 

[courageneverdies]

On one hand India want to be member of OIC and have 150 million Muslims of its own and on the other hand is active against Islamic propaganda too. Just read all Indian members comments about Islam.

Bro what do you expect them else this? To me their criticism is justified in any condition. 'Coz they are to criticise Islam. But what to talk of people, who claim to be Muslims and do the same.

Yeh Muslim hain jinhain deikh kar sharmain yahood,

People like Salman Rushdi and to a minimum level Haji Adeel earn cheap fame by giving such comments, by themselves giving negative comments about Islam.

Our duty is to defend our religion and country on every front, whether opponents belong to outsiders or insiders.

KIT Over

 

[courageneverdies]

Hi,

It is true. When I lived in interior sindh----that is what some of my sindhi friends stated.

That maybe true. You know as Rajputs, many of my clan, appreciate the actions of Maharana Sangram Singh, Qaimkhanis etc etc.

That maybe their opinion, I also appreciate some of the guts of Rajputs and specially the action of Qaimkhanis against the Akbar's unIslamic Sajda-e-Tazimi.

Heard from you after a long time sir???

KIT Over

 

[PracticalGuy]

Its not the moto of Islam, but of Hindus who still consider Muslims that either they be turned to Hindus, or leave Hindustan. A moto of Shiv Sinha aka BJP

KIT Over

what makes you think that all muslim rulers were "holy cows" ?Have you even heard of Aurangazeb ,Tippu sultan and Nizams to name a few? and why do you think that there were so many muslims in the subcontinent when the British came? did they just drop form the sky? have you even heard of "jajiya"? so much for the "benovalent" rulers...

 

[Hyde]

what makes you think that all muslim rulers were "holy cows" ?Have you even heard of Aurangazeb ,Tippu sultan and Nizams to name a few? and why do you think that there were so many muslims in the subcontinent when the British came? did they just drop form the sky? have you even heard of "jajiya"? so much for the "benovalent" rulers...

just exactly what i was saying when indian members were defending above mentioned personalities saying they consider them as their hero and i was saying there is a population in India who consider them a villain

Welcome aboard

 

[PracticalGuy]

just exactly what i was saying when indian members were defending above mentioned personalities saying they consider them as their hero and i was saying there is a population in India who consider them a villain

Welcome aboard

Nobody in their right senses ever "defend" Aurangazeb and Nizams in India.. and regarding Tippu Sultan.. most of the Indians know him based on a TV serial which obviously depicted him as "Hero" for obvious reasons concealing his dark side... and ah.. Akbar will be in a different league and thats why people still remember him in India irrespective of their religion.. and did u even care to read my post preoperly? remember seeing this in my post?
".... all muslim rulers..."

 

[courageneverdies]

what makes you think that all muslim rulers were "holy cows" ?Have you even heard of Aurangazeb ,Tippu sultan and Nizams to name a few? and why do you think that there were so many muslims in the subcontinent when the British came? did they just drop form the sky? have you even heard of "jajiya"? so much for the "benovalent" rulers...

Where did I say all Muslim rulers are??? Can you quote that??? 'Coz what you quoted was the reference I made to general perception that all Muslim rulers spread Islam by force...

If not all Muslim rulers were "holly cows" than not all were wolfs also. To equate the equation I may give the name of Akbar, Jahangir. It is also an awe that all of you just hold rulers responsible for "SPREADING" Islam while totally forgetting the role of Suffis played. People like Data Ganj Baksh about whom historians write that he in an open argument with a Hindu Wizard of Lahore, defeated him and hence 100,000 people embrassed Islam.

Ghareeb Nawaz of Ajmeir, who is lauded by Hindus as well, didnt force people to accept Islam. When you talk of people converting to Islam, you forget what Hinduism had for people of lower casts. Islam is a religion of equality and this attracted them the most. It is impossible for a religion to sustain even after centuries if it had been spread by force.

And its not Jajiya, its Jazya imposed by the Muslim rulers on the non-Muslim people for their security. If you have ever read Muslim history, Ummayads even imposed it on Muslims. That was for their Security. Umar I called it off from the non-Muslims when he was to leave a city unprotected.

Its a great thing to protect the unprotected for giving tax. You still pay it... Why you not cry against GoI for imposing TAX for your protection???

KIT Over

 

[PracticalGuy]

Where did I say all Muslim rulers are??? Can you quote that??? 'Coz what you quoted was the reference I made to general perception that all Muslim rulers spread Islam by force...

If not all Muslim rulers were "holly cows" than not all were wolfs also. To equate the equation I may give the name of Akbar, Jahangir. It is also an awe that all of you just hold rulers responsible for "SPREADING" Islam while totally forgetting the role of Suffis played. People like Data Ganj Baksh about whom historians write that he in an open argument with a Hindu Wizard of Lahore, defeated him and hence 100,000 people embrassed Islam.

Ghareeb Nawaz of Ajmeir, who is lauded by Hindus as well, didnt force people to accept Islam. When you talk of people converting to Islam, you forget what Hinduism had for people of lower casts. Islam is a religion of equality and this attracted them the most. It is impossible for a religion to sustain even after centuries if it had been spread by force.

And its not Jajiya, its Jazya imposed by the Muslim rulers on the non-Muslim people for their security. If you have ever read Muslim history, Ummayads even imposed it on Muslims. That was for their Security. Umar I called it off from the non-Muslims when he was to leave a city unprotected.

Its a great thing to protect the unprotected for giving tax. You still pay it... Why you not cry against GoI for imposing TAX for your protection???

KIT Over

Originally Posted by courageneverdies
Its not the moto of Islam, but of Hindus who still consider Muslims that either they be turned to Hindus, or leave Hindustan. A moto of Shiv Sinha aka BJP

yeah same "preaching" applies to u too ...dont generalise all Hindus.. you dont know nothing about Hindus... and by the way.. if you see my above quote ..it will be more clear to u..what i meant...
and regarding "Jazya" .. I still stick to my point...and I wasnt talking about Umayyads but was telling you about subcontinent rulers..and we can see that even now in some parts of Pakistan where it's been collected from the nonmuslims.. and before that we have seen it in Afghanistan too..

 

[courageneverdies]

yeah same "preaching" applies to u too ...dont generalise all Hindus.. you dont know nothing about Hindus... and by the way.. if you see my above quote ..it will be more clear to u..what i meant...

Yeah I know nothing, but I know and have seen the oath-taking ceremony of members of Shiv Senha, Are they not Hindus???

Tit for tat, what if I generalized Hindus when you generalized all Muslim rulers, as clearly mentioned in your posts.

But before you make aware others about Hinduism, I think you must affirm that cousin marriages is prohibited in Hinduism. Isn't it? And Dahir married his sister for the sake of Throne, can you justify it...?

About preaching.... Leave it.

KIT Over

 

[PracticalGuy]

Yeah I know nothing, but I know and have seen the oath-taking ceremony of members of Shiv Senha, Are they not Hindus???

Tit for tat, what if I generalized Hindus when you generalized all Muslim rulers, as clearly mentioned in your posts.

But before you make aware others about Hinduism, I think you must affirm that cousin marriages is prohibited in Hinduism. Isn't it? And Dahir married his sister for the sake of Throne, can you justify it...?

About preaching.... Leave it.

KIT Over

I think you are jumping the guns too soon in over excitement... read through my previous posts and let me know where did i generalised all muslim rulers? are yaar kuch bhi kehlete ho kuch soche bina.. now go and read my previous posts...

 

[courageneverdies]

what makes you think that all muslim rulers were "holy cows" ? so much for the "benovalent" rulers...

this isn't generalization na...

Over excitement? for what...

KIT Over

 

[PracticalGuy]

this isn't generalization na...

Over excitement? for what...

KIT Over

Originally Posted by PracticalGuy
what makes you think that all muslim rulers were "holy cows" ?Have you even heard of Aurangazeb ,Tippu sultan and Nizams to name a few? and why do you think that there were so many muslims in the subcontinent when the British came? did they just drop form the sky? have you even heard of "jajiya"? so much for the "benovalent" rulers...

and my other post..

Nobody in their right senses ever "defend" Aurangazeb and Nizams in India.. and regarding Tippu Sultan.. most of the Indians know him based on a TV serial which obviously depicted him as "Hero" for obvious reasons concealing his dark side... and ah.. Akbar will be in a different league and thats why people still remember him in India irrespective of their religion.. and did u even care to read my post preoperly? remember seeing this in my post?

You got to be kidding me!!! now show these above statements of mine to any body who knows english and ask them its meaning.. and ask them if they see any "generalisation" of muslim rulers in them ..man..you are turning out to be something...and thats my friend is over excitement.

 

[ice_man]

great from holy raja dahir to evil tipu sultan great going indian friends!

look Mohammed-Bin-Qasim laid the foundations of islam & according to everyones theory here about spain no one converted back to hinduism after he left. infact islam only spread since his arrival in the sub continent!

@ practical guy

for you anyone who twisted the religion and introduced hindu ideology into the islamic faith is loved by you. i.e. akbar is loved! anyone who stuck to their religion was "evil"

look its this simple:

Hindus Love Raja dhair even knowing all his short comings

Muslims love Moahmmed Bin Qasim

you cann't change these beliefs no matter how hard you try! two civilizations have been forged on these two beliefs. one muslim one hindu!

no one can change the others opinon. so no point debating it further!