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Latest Indian GDP data is FAKE. Heres why

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As we all know yesterday India released its new GDP data. I was surprised at the 7.4% growth which it reported. It is impossible that India is growing at this rate when the world is slowing down. Here are 11 reasons why the number is fake:

1)
Exports have been falling eleven months in a row. In fact, between April and October 2015, exports have fallen by 17.6% to $154.29 billion, in comparison to the same period last year. Between April and October 2014, the exports had stood at $187.29 billion. A greater than 7% economic growth rate with falling exports is a little difficult to believe.

2) Corporate profitability continues to remain subdued. As a recent news-report in the Business Standard points out regarding the profitability for the period July to September 2015: “It was another muted quarter for India Inc, with aggregate profit growth at both the operating and net level growing at only under one per cent over a year-ago period. The sample is of 2,300 companies…The numbers are worse for the benchmark indices such as the Nifty, where operating and net profit are down between three-five per cent over the year-ago quarter, with aggregate numbers below expectations.”

3) Passenger vehicles sales, another good measure of economic recovery, have been subdued through most of this financial year, though there has been some recovery in October 2015, which doesn’t come under the July to September 2015 period, for which the economic growth number has been reported. Between September 2015 and September 2014, passenger vehicles sales went up by only 3.85%.

4) Motorcycle sales, a very good economic indicator in the Indian context, have fallen for most of the financial year, only to have recovered a little in October due to festival season sales. It remains to be seen whether the sales can be sustained for November 2015. Data from the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (Siam) points out that motorcycle sales during the first six months of the year (April to September 2015) were down by 4.06% to 5.36 million units, in comparison to the same period last year.

5) Tractor sales have been falling for thirteen months in a row. Data from the Tractor Manufacturers Association shows that sales have fallen by 20% during the first six months of this financial year (i.e. April to September 2015). This is a clear example of weak agricultural growth.

6) The loan growth of banks continues to remain subdued. The sectoral deployment of credit data released by the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) shows that bank loans grew by 8.4% between September 2014 and September 2015. In fact, they grew by an even slower 8.1% between October 2014 and October 2015.

7) Along with this, the bad loans of banks continue to pile up. As a recent report in The Indian Express points out: “Already burdened by bad loans, 37 banks, led by public sector ones, have reported a 26.8 per cent rise in non-performing assets (NPAs) over the 12-month period ending September this year.”

The overall non-performing assets of banks as of September 2015 stood at Rs 3,36,685 crore. This was an increase of Rs 71,000 crore, according to numbers put together by credit rating firm CARE.

8) The number of stalled industrial projects went up during the period July to September 2015. As a recent research note by Morgan Stanley points out: “The stock of stalled projects climbed in the September quarter, while existing capacity is being underutilized. This has, not surprisingly, lowered interest in greenfield investments, with industrial credit loan growth stagnating in single-digits.” The bulk of the stalled projects belong to the manufacturing and infrastructure sectors. Further, there is a good anecdotal evidence to suggest that small and medium enterprises, a major source of job growth, continue to struggle.

9) The Reserve Bank of India governor Raghuram Rajan recently pointed out that factories were running 30% below capacity as of now. A research report by DBS points out that the capacity utilisation rate was at 80% in 2011-2012. This suggests a significant slack in the economy. How is manufacturing then growing by 9%, as suggested by the data released by the ministry of statistics and programme implementation?

10) The real estate sector, a major employer of people, continues to be in the doldrums, with new launches coming down and the number of unsold homes going up.

11) Further, for two years in a row India has had a deficient monsoon. In its end of season report, the India Meteorological Department (IMD), the nation’s weather forecaster, stated that “rainfall over the country as a whole was 86% of its long period average (LPA). Thus years 2014 & 2015 was the fourth case of two consecutive all India deficient monsoon years during the last 115 years.”
 
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The funniest part here is that Indian factories are running 30% BELOW CAPACITY but manufacturing has increased by 9%. Indian economists are drunk or what?

This itself proves that India is just faking and making things up.
 
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30% BELOW CAPACITY but manufacturing has increased by 9%.

Spare capacity affects GDP growth? Using spare capacity is like the easiest way to get growth moron.....no major capex required.

From the BBC:

India's economic growth picks up to 7.4% - BBC News

No mention of the data being "suspicious" "fake" or dubious.

Butthurt trolls are butthurt.
 


Please donot spam this thread. If you have something to say, use data and numbers to make your point. Please let us know why you disgree with author of this article, just like how she used facts and numbers to point out the truth.

Spare capacity affects GDP growth? Using spare capacity is like the easiest way to get growth moron.....no major capex required.

From the BBC:

India's economic growth picks up to 7.4% - BBC News

No mention of the data being "suspicious" "fake" or dubious.

Butthurt trolls are butthurt.

Please dont go into personal attack. You talk about spare capacity and GDP growth in same sentence. I said, the factories are running below capacity but MANUFACTURING increased 9%. If there has to be growth in manufacturing why is there so much spare capacity?

All news channels are now just mirroring what has been released. My post is the first analysis of the data released.
 
In big and developing economies it is very easy to fudge data. It will serve them well on short term so i would say Modi is smart at least for short term. Dar played the same game last year but obviously he needs to take lesson regarding how to make make investors dance around the tune.
 
In big and developing economies it is very easy to fudge data. It will serve them well on short term so i would say Modi is smart at least for short term. Dar played the same game last year but obviously he needs to take lesson regarding how to make make investors dance around the tune.
Thats one thing. But when your own fake data shows factories are working at 30% below capacity and then saying factory output/manufacturing grew at 9% is pure stupidity. This kind of stupidity wont even serve them in the short term.
 
Please donot spam this thread. If you have something to say, use data and numbers to make your point. Please let us know why you disgree with author of this article, just like how she used facts and numbers to point out the truth.



Please dont go into personal attack. You talk about spare capacity and GDP growth in same sentence. I said, the factories are running below capacity but MANUFACTURING increased 9%. If there has to be growth in manufacturing why is there so much spare capacity?

All news channels are now just mirroring what has been released. My post is the first analysis of the data released.
I love Patriots, so I am going to tag another Patriot @Indian Patriot pls share some light on this topic.
 
What bollocks.. First the title of the thread is doctored.

11 reasons why India growing at 7.4% is simply not believable - Firstpost

The growth on GDP was due to the following factors:

1. Agriculture Sector - The agriculture sector grew at 2.2 per cent, higher than the 2.1 per cent growth witnessed in the corresponding quarter last year and significantly higher than 1.9 per cent growth seen in the quarter ended June 2015.

2. Manufacturing Growth - Manufacturing grew at 9.3 per cent as against 7.9 per cent seen in Q2’15

3. Trade, Communication and Services - The trade, hotel, transport, communication & services related to broadcasting grew at 10.6 per cent as against 8.9 per cent in the same quarter last year.

4. Financial, insurance and real estate segment grew by 9.7 per cent during the quarter.


* “The index of industrial production has been growing over the last few months and there has been a rise in urban demand which has led to a rise in manufacturing growth. The automobile sector and the consumer durable sectors have witnessed growth. Rural growth, however, remains a concern,” said DK Joshi, chief economist at Crisil.

**While RBI has cut the interest rate by 125 basis point in this calendar year, experts say that the benefits of rate cut have not kicked-in yet and it takes roughly 3-4 quarters for that.
 
Please dont go into personal attack. You talk about spare capacity and GDP growth in same sentence. I said, the factories are running below capacity but MANUFACTURING increased 9%. If there has to be growth in manufacturing why is there so much spare capacity?

My god, do you know what data series Rajan was using when he quoted the below 30% figure? 9% manufacturing growth overall would mean this excess capacity factor has shrunk. Do you know anything about the lag in data series when economists quote in interviews. Do your homework before you spout your mouth off.

All news channels are now just mirroring what has been released. My post is the first analysis of the data released.

Plenty of analysis by actual economists out there if you look. Not some wingbat author that cherry picks parameters that suits his agenda.

The twit has completely excluded investment figures for one.

Kaul, Vivek | SAGE Publications Inc

Basically an author...not an economist. Probably on the payroll of some butthurt chutiya from a certain political party.

Thats one thing. But when your own fake data shows factories are working at 70% of their capacity and then saying factory output/manufacturing grew at 9% is pure stupidity. This kind of stupidity wont even serve them in the short term.

Tell us when a major organisation or a reputable economist questions the figure.
 
Thats one thing. But when your own fake data shows factories are working at 30% below capacity and then saying factory output/manufacturing grew at 9% is pure stupidity. This kind of stupidity wont even serve them in the short term.

Please do analysis regarding

1. Total Factory Capacity in 2014 vs 2015
2. Total Factory output in 2014 vs 2015

You will then understand the variance of which there is not any.
 
Doesnt mention the overally wholesale deflator of -2.4% anywhere either and the effect this has on REAL compared to nominal.

Amateur hour.

Good Point there is a two month lag that is why I always prefer the yearly figures to quarterly estimates. The problem is capacity addition is often independent of the capacity under utilization. In a capitalist and market driven economy like India capacity addition is not planned centrally to reduced inefficiencies - individual business embark on their expansion plans as per their requirement. That is why one might see capacity addition happening despite under utilization when you consider the aggregate numbers. Anyway the data of 80% utilization was not for 2014 hence not comparable with 2015.

Let us say a factory has capacity of 100 shoes in 2012 and it produces 80 shoes then the utilization is 80%

In 2015 the same factory has capacity to produce 1000 shoes and has utilization of 70% meaning production of 700 shoes.

Hence despite reducing utilization it is quite possible for GDP to grow based on increase in value and quantity of goods produced.
 
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