Watch Out China: Vietnam's Coast Guard Will Fight Back!

[Beast]

sounds like a bad idea, water cannons, flares sure, taiwan and japan has been playing that game for a while. but actual, deadly, live rounds? they want to what? hand the SCS to china on a silver platter? the first time a chinese sailor gets killed, the PLA has all the excuses it needs to fully militarize the place.

VCP is not dumb but the vietnamese forumer are daydreaming. I even doubt OP is a real vietnamese. I suspect he is a CIA agent just trying to stir up Sino-vietnam clash. He maybe a white man in disguise.

 

[Viet]

Come on, no need to talk like this. Let's all calm down, and emphasize trade.

Let's all get fat and rich first. No need to die young.




Calm down bro.



A great addition no doubt to the Vietnamese CG. I suppose the agenda will remain focused on patrol and interdiction.

Well, I wonder if it is true that all chinese coast guard and navy vessels are equipped with water cannons.

 

[Defunct]

Only a matter of time before China sends Vietnam back to the stone age.

 

[Aepsilons]

Well, I wonder if it is true that all chinese coast guard and navy vessels are equipped with water cannons.

On another note; 2015 is when bilateral trade between Japan and Vietnam will reach over $30 billion. Bilateral trade between Vietnam and USA will reach north of $45 Billion.

Money , money, AND more money , bro. The only thing that makes the world go round, second , of course to God.

Well, I wonder if it is true that all chinese coast guard and navy vessels are equipped with water cannons.

Even their boats are purchased with fixed interest , remember that. LOL.


Let's make more money bro. Chau Chau! Cam On!

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

The number one problem with this retarded law is that China & Vietnam has not yet agreed on which shit belongs to whom. Meaning what is considered to be "Vietnamese Waters" might not actually be "Vietnamese Waters." Because it could be "Chinese Waters" for all we know. Meaning the Chinese can return fire if fired upon as per ROE. Also does it even extend to the EEZ? Not to mention I don't see Vietnam will actually be able to enforce their territory like its advertised against China considering they have their asses firmly planted on much of Vietnamese territory.

As I said before Retarded Law made by Retarded people, passed by an even more Retarded Politicians.

 

[Aepsilons]

The number one problem with this retarded law is that China & Vietnam has not yet agreed on which shit belongs to whom. Meaning what is considered to be "Vietnamese Waters" might not actually be "Vietnamese Waters." Because it could be "Chinese Waters" for all we know. Meaning the Chinese can return fire if fired upon as per ROE. Also does it even extend to the EEZ? Not to mention I don't see Vietnam will actually be able to enforce their territory like its advertised against China considering they have their asses firmly planted on much of Vietnamese territory.

As I said before Retarded Law made by Retarded people, passed by an even more Retarded Politicians.

Politics is subservient to economy,
My friend. Simple.


Let's not overcomplicate such trivial addendum in policy.


It's akin to making a mountain over a molehill.

The number one problem with this retarded law is that China & Vietnam has not yet agreed on which shit belongs to whom. Meaning what is considered to be "Vietnamese Waters" might not actually be "Vietnamese Waters." Because it could be "Chinese Waters" for all we know. Meaning the Chinese can return fire if fired upon as per ROE. Also does it even extend to the EEZ? Not to mention I don't see Vietnam will actually be able to enforce their territory like its advertised against China considering they have their asses firmly planted on much of Vietnamese territory.

As I said before Retarded Law made by Retarded people, passed by an even more Retarded Politicians.

Both the Chinese and Vietnamese cannot really initiate hostility since both enjoy a bilateral trade level north of $65 Billion.

Like I said , economy dominated actual politics.

 

[Keel]

This paid troll VALKRYIE finally gets his worth this time around

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Politics is subservient to economy,
My friend. Simple.


Let's not overcomplicate such trivial addendum in policy.


It's akin to making a mountain over a molehill.




Both the Chinese and Vietnamese cannot really initiate hostility since both enjoy a bilateral trade level north of $65 Billion.

Like I said , economy dominated actual politics.

I can see this more of a simple case of "giving the dog a bone." Meaning the law in place are just put in there to appease the Masses. It won't even have any significant changes. Considering; a.) Both still haven't agree which territory is which & b.) This will give the Chinese a Casus to expand their presence even faster on the SCS.

 

[S10]

I hope they actually fire on Chinese vessels. We could then bomb them out of existence citing self-defence.

 

[tranquilium]

A new Vietnamese regulation will allow its coast guard to use weapons to deter and repel ships.

By Ankit Panda

September 11, 2015

Starting October 20, 2015, Vietnamese coast guard vessels will be permitted to use on-board weapons to deter and repel foreign boats. According to a report by Vietnam’s Thanh Nien news agency, the country’s government has introduced a new regulation which allows the coast guard to play a more active role in defense. The move is almost certainly a response to concerns about China’s attempts at asserting its claims to waters disputed between it and Vietnam, best encapsulated in last summer’s stand-off over China’s Haiyang Shiyou 981 oil rig, which entered Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ). Chinese and Vietnamese vessels rammed and capsized each other at the time, and vessels from both sides exchanged water cannon fire.

The new rules could mean that should another major stand-off between China and Vietnam occur, the possibility of escalation to an all-out kinetic conflict will be much greater. Vietnam’s move also mirror’s China’s own efforts to create a “second navy” through the militarization of its white-hulled maritime law enforcement and coast guard vessels. According to Thanh Nien, the Vietnamese coast guard will be permitted to use force “until the foreign boats are completely out of Vietnamese waters.” Vietnam continues to claim the entirety of the Paracel Islands, which China administers as part of Hainan province.

It’s unclear if the new regulation distinguishes between Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone and its territorial waters–an important distinction under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). According to UNCLOS, a state’s territorial sea extends out for 12 nautical miles from “baselines,” which are, with a few exceptions, defined as ”low-water line along the coast as marked on large-scale charts officially recognized by the coastal State.” Meanwhile, an EEZ ”is an area beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea,” extending no more than 200 nautical miles from the baselines. UNCLOS, per article 62, outlines criteria under which foreign vessels, both civilian and military, can lawfully operate within an EEZ. The Thanh Nien report is sparse on these details, noting that the new regulation applies to dealing with foreign boats that have entered “the country’s waters illegally.”

It’s unlikely that Vietnam will use this new regulation to brazenly provoke vessels lawfully operating within its EEZ, as it does not do so currently. Rather, the regulation appears to be intended to deter a repeat of last year’s oil rig saga, where Chinese civilian fishing boats and coast guard vessels, in violation of UNCLOS, were conducting activity in Vietnam’s EEZ without Hanoi’s consent. Reassuringly, the new regulation does have a warning phase–it requires that Vietnamese authorities first verbally notify foreign vessels illegally present in Vietnamese “waters” to leave the area before Vietnamese authorities are permitted to deploy offensive means to deter and repel these ships.

Watch Out China: Vietnam’s Coast Guard Will Fight Back | The Diplomat

Chinese policy has always been let the opponent fire the first shot and then retaliate with disproportional amount of firepower.

 

[applesauce]

Politics is subservient to economy,
My friend. Simple.


Let's not overcomplicate such trivial addendum in policy.


It's akin to making a mountain over a molehill.




Both the Chinese and Vietnamese cannot really initiate hostility since both enjoy a bilateral trade level north of $65 Billion.

Like I said , economy dominated actual politics.

not quite. germany and britain had massive trade right before ww1. and by your logic, china and america, heck , china and japan should be best friends then. fact is economics can impede the march to war but it cannot stop it all together. all it takes for someone to miscalculate.

 

[21stCentury]

sounds like a bad idea, water cannons, flares sure, taiwan and japan has been playing that game for a while. but actual, deadly, live rounds? they want to what? hand the SCS to china on a silver platter? the first time a chinese sailor gets killed, the PLA has all the excuses it needs to fully militarize the place.

They are not very smart

 

[Viet]

I hope they actually fire on Chinese vessels. We could then bomb them out of existence citing self-defence.

You hope that we fire on you clown?
Do you hope the russians fire on you too?

 

[Viet]

I can see this more of a simple case of "giving the dog a bone." Meaning the law in place are just put in there to appease the Masses. It won't even have any significant changes. Considering; a.) Both still haven't agree which territory is which & b.) This will give the Chinese a Casus to expand their presence even faster on the SCS.

SC Sea is a playground for Great Powers. Not for you kid. You don't understand at all. Go home.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Sure, so we can send another boat load of you monkeys into the sea like in 1988. Too bad you'll always be a little bitch.

@Hu Songshan