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[BJlaowai]

And what do you do when their are no "Morrtis" around

Racist post reported.

What is racist in my post?
What is Morrtis??

 

[ice_man]

Wrong! Tribals stopped when they had to engage regular Indian Army troops. From that point on they were pushed back to the current LOC. The plebiscite issue cropped up much later when Nehru (to his folly) went to the UN.

firstly why did the pakistan tribals intervene and not the pakistan army? reason being the then Chief of the army was a british & didn't allow his troops which by then were pakistani troops to enter the battle! hence when the tribals reached srinagar & the indian army moved in the ill equipped tribals didn't have a chance against a proper army!!! while pakistani troops sat helplessly waiting for orders from their chief!!!

 

[RobbieS]

firstly why did the pakistan tribals intervene and not the pakistan army? reason being the then Chief of the army was a british & didn't allow his troops which by then were pakistani troops to enter the battle! hence when the tribals reached srinagar & the indian army moved in the ill equipped tribals didn't have a chance against a proper army!!! while pakistani troops sat helplessly waiting for orders from their chief!!!

The answer to your questions lies in the article that was used to start this thread. You could read it again.

 

[ice_man]

The answer to your questions lies in the article that was used to start this thread. You could read it again.

In Hyderabad and Junagadh – Hindu majority, Muslim royals – the rulers wobbled, but finally chose India.

in both instances INDIAN ARMY went in & declared the states annexed! Hence fearing indian intentions and knowing indian tactics used in both cases pakistan couldn't risk kashmir getting annexed to! and as usual MOUNT BATTEN was a PRO indian man he strictly warned pakistan of doing similar move to the one used by indian army in junagadh or hyderabad!

as for pakistan triabls raping & looting baramullah well why did they wait till baramullah? were there better looking women their or was their any hidden wealth which no one knew of? its a fabricated BS written after the events unfolded! just like no one knows who started killing first the people fleeing from one country to another! the indians believe it started from lahore to amritsar train while we believe it started from amritsar to lahore!!!!

 

[third eye]

Op Polo - the Hyderabad action took place in 1948.

Pak was inside J&K in 1947.

 

[BJlaowai]

firstly why did the pakistan tribals intervene and not the pakistan army? reason being the then Chief of the army was a british & didn't allow his troops which by then were pakistani troops to enter the battle! hence when the tribals reached srinagar & the indian army moved in the ill equipped tribals didn't have a chance against a proper army!!! while pakistani troops sat helplessly waiting for orders from their chief!!!

No..
It was because the Raja of Kashmir had signed standstill agreements with both India and Pakistan.
But Pakistan cunningly used the pastun tribesmen to invade Kashmir, thereby not officially breaking the standstill agreement..
India intervened only after raja Hari Singh signed the instrument of accession, acceding the princely state of J&K to Indian union, after the pastun tribesmen backed by Pakistan were about to capture Srinagar.
If Pakistan had not played the double-game of using the tribesmen to invade the princely state of J&K, India would not have any excuse to send troops to Srinagar and in all possibility J&K would have remained an Independent state.. or even have merged with Pakistan.

 

[asq]

from the article...

that I did not know!

One thing that Pathans have is morals about women sanctity, so i will not be intrested even reading all this, the guy who wrote this may an anti Pathans and so his deductions about raping muslim women is his imagination running wild.

 

[asq]

Wrong! Tribals stopped when they had to engage regular Indian Army troops. From that point on they were pushed back to the current LOC. The plebiscite issue cropped up much later when Nehru (to his folly) went to the UN.

False they were not pushed back, on the promise of nehru for plebicite to be held under U.N. supervision. Liaqat ali the than prime minister ordered them to pull back as India was to do the same to fullfill first condition set by U.N. for plebicite, but Nehru promise was false, he did not act on it, Very cunning.

 

[karan.1970]

The tribal invasion was in response to the brutalities of the dictator Maharajah.

There was an indigenous movement for freedom by local Kashmiris against the dictator, before the tribal invasion, that was brutally suppressed by the Maharajah. Entire villages were burnt down and men, women and children massacred by the Maharajah's forces in cracking down on the rebellion against his dictatorship.

Subsequently, tens of thousands of refugees poured out of Kashmir into Pakistan. This coincided with the partition massacres and news of entire trains full of massacred Muslims arriving from India.

That is what led to the tribal force being organized to defeat the dictator Maharajah, and the subsequent low level Pakistani support for that tribal force.

So if this is a plausible reason, then Pakistan should not complain about India's role in 1971. Seems like a lot of factors were similar. Except of course, India got a new country established in form of Bangladesh with its independence intact, and Pakistan practically annexed the territory it liberated . It named it Azad though...

 

[asq]

No Karan. it was east pakistan and had been east Pakistan from 1947 to 1970 and india interfered in internal matters of Pakistan.

 

[RobbieS]

False they were not pushed back, on the promise of nehru for plebicite to be held under U.N. supervision. Liaqat ali the than prime minister ordered them to pull back as India was to do the same to fullfill first condition set by U.N. for plebicite, but Nehru promise was false, he did not act on it, Very cunning.

There was a time lag between the initiation of hostilities between the tribals and the Indian Army and the ceasefire. If you read the timeline you''ll come to know.

 

[asq]

There was a time lag between the initiation of hostilities between the tribals and the Indian Army and the ceasefire. If you read the timeline you''ll come to know.

It was not a timeline, it was a usual Indian trick as it is playing since than.

Bangladesh, Water, nuclear weapons etc etc.

 

[AHMED85]

there are some solution for both countries to save Kashmir
1) fair talk from both side solve this problem but in serious condition.
2) one war from both side have present good role
but don't make unnecessarily argues to time waste
coz we have already make a lot of debate in government level as well as social.... stop trolling
Kashmir is (paradise)
utilize it for your best not to make it (hell).

 

[Jade]

The whole of Kashmir belongs to India. No Independence nor UN plebiscite; No force on this earth can part Kashmir from India.

 

[Jade]

there are some solution for both countries to save Kashmir
1) fair talk from both side solve this problem but in serious condition.
2) one war from both side have present good role
but don't make unnecessarily argues to time waste
coz we have already make a lot of debate in government level as well as social.... stop trolling
Kashmir is (paradise)
utilize it for your best not to make it (hell).

What fair talks are you talking about? On Kashmir? We cannot have talks that compromises India’s Integrity