Hijab And Corporate Morality — Orya Maqbool Jan

[Spring Onion]

wah jee wah... i speak of the liberation of ladies and you decide to be hostile to me.

yes because you are imposing your wish on women.

besides, do you want a humanity only consisting of females... males are part of that humanity too and their likes and contributions must be considered... that is logical.

by your logic we can also include Conservative extremists then and their likes

and which progressive and developed nations are those??

US western countries at least i have seen they are trianed in cultural sensitivities

where did i justify harassment of ladies??

i opposed it and in fact raised the issue first.

also, all i said was i don't like this "oh, i am female and i must not think of meeting a man's eye and smile at him, because i must be pure"... come on, it sounds so unnatural and not at all real.

your own assumption. if i dont want to look at a man then that would be based on strong reason not purity or any such shity thought nobody is pure

do you want a humanity only consisting of females... males are part of that humanity too and their likes and contributions must be considered... that is logical.

i will repeat that then conservatives' likes and dislikes will also be considered

I dont think barring face veil, any other dress is really unacceptable as such.. however one can always express one's own bias, I think hijab looks rather good, am not saying everybody needs to wear it.
Even in case of full body cover, its the idea behind it which we are criticizing.. not women's right to whatever they please. Here in winter some women cover themselves from head to tow, some don't. I dont see anybody criticizing fully clothed women, because its their wish.
I understand its cultural in most places, nobody is really forcing any woman to wear any of these either in India or elsewhere. Even then one has right to criticize cultural practice. Forcing people to abandon their culture is wrong though, I wont like any govt rule or vigilante group asking people to remove burqa.

And i wont like any govt rule or vigilante group asking to wear burqa or hijab against their own wishes.

Also at the same time i wont like any govt or group asking people not to wear western cloths.

and at the same time i wont like anybody to decide for women what is liberal or what is conservatvie dress for women.

What i want to wear be it burqa or skirt it should be left to me not to some paranoid liberal extremists and conservative extremists

 

[jamahir]

and the skull cap,.................. OUCH MAN i wear that

scared of the ladies in your class??

 

[Levina]

I don't want to divert the topic, but neither of your points is correct, nor is your acceptance of 'Arya' as an ethnic or racial type. Having said that, I will refrain from further comment on this particular issue.
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I agree sir!!
I was aware that I had made some factual errors, but I said so in the heat of the moment and to get a troll off my tail.
I'm sorry!!!

 

[Levina]

Who r u to correct a muslim abt his religion ?

I did not correct any religion, I corrected a man.

Can u comprehend that Islam is a completely different way of life than all other isms including liberal secularism ?
Btw your argument is ludicrous.

Ppl like you who suffer from confirmation bias cherry pick lines from scriptures and misconstrue it. Who're you to question a woman's Liberty to choose the kind of clothes she wears??
Do you wear a Kandura?? I'm so sure that if your scripture asks women to cover up then it also asks men to do the same.
Islam is a religion which gives a lot of liberties to women, but alas! Some men twist it according to their whims and wishes to curb the liberties of their women.
Do you think by covering up a woman in a burqa/abaya you will be able to protect her from being violated???
Your logic that "ALL women should cover up because SOME men can NOT control their freaking hormones" is preposterous.
The logic in your argument is ZILCH!!

 

[Soumitra]

western governments which promoted the burqa.

Ha Ha Ha Joke of the day.

Western govts promote burqa. Are you living in la la land

The places in the world that have a burqa ban – Quartz

Belgium and France have national bans on Burqa. Others like Italy Spain Switzerland Russia have local area bans. Burqa wearing females are hounded in Europe and US

 

[Jf Thunder]

scared of the ladies in your class??

no, i thought the skull cap was original to Muslims, and i only wear it for prayer you know
and there are only two ladies in my class of University, before that i studied in all boys school.
btw which reminds me, once if forgot to take off my cap after prayer and went to class, and everyone was string at me like WTF and one of them said "tabdeeli aani nahi hai, tabdeeli aa gai hai, ziada times Islamic Studies walon ke saath guzaar liya hai lagta hai"

 

[Koovie]

What i want to wear be it burqa or skirt it should be left to me not to some paranoid liberal extremists and conservative extremists

First of all, wearing what you want is a basic right in modern democracies.

However,
a.) Covering your whole body, including your face is something else... and illegal anyways in several nations due to security risks.
b.) The whole regressive concept of having to "hide", "protect" etc a body of a woman is not in accordance with the ideals of a modern democracy. Why are only women supposed to cover their bodies? I cant find any mullah arguing against men bathing in shorts with exposed bodies... or do they believe that women dont have sexual desires?
c.) The risk that male family members force girls to wear these regressive clothes
d.) Religious symbols should not be seen in public institutions like schools.
e.) Since its also about corporate morals, the employer decides whether he/she wants to have religious symbols in his/her property or not.

 

[Jf Thunder]

First of all, wearing what you want is a basic right in modern democracies.

However,
a.) Covering your whole body, including your face is something else... and illegal anyways in several nations due to security risks.
b.) The whole regressive concept of having to "hide", "protect" etc a body of a woman is not in accordance with the ideals of a modern democracy. Why are only women supposed to cover their bodies? I cant find any mullah arguing against men bathing in shorts with exposed bodies... or do they believe that women dont have sexual desires?
c.) The risk that male family members force girls to wear these regressive clothes
d.) Religious symbols should not be seen in public institutions like schools.
e.) Since its also about corporate morals, the employer decides whether he/she wants to have religious symbols in his/her property or not.

wow, the other side of the extreme, a woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants, provided its not a threat to security or culture, and no you cant take religion out of your daily lives (specially Islam)
and what is this modern democracy you speak of? just a word that the media nowadays has goten its hands on to, and will continue to repeat it till they get a new word

 

[Koovie]

wow, the other side of the extreme, a woman should be allowed to wear whatever she wants, provided its not a threat to security

Not only women, every one. How does is come that you folks only talk about women anyways?

Disgusting.

And yes, everyone is free to wear whatever you want, given that its not a threat to security (Covering your faces in public etc)

and no you cant take religion out of your daily lives (specially Islam)

Separation of state and religion is the basis for a successful modern democracy. Isnt it a coincidence that most of the nations with the highest standards of living are the ones in which religion does not play any bigger role? And that people from Islamic Republics try to migrate into these nations?

and what is this modern democracy you speak of? just a word that the media nowadays has goten its hands on to, and will continue to repeat it till they get a new word

You could have googled the word

 

[Jf Thunder]

Not only women, every one. How does is come that you folks only talk about women anyways?

Disgusting.

i could not comprehend what you are trying to say, please clarify

Separation of state and religion is the basis for a successful modern democracy. Isnt it a coincidence that most of the nations with the highest standards of living are the ones in which religion does not play any bigger role? And that people from Islamic Republics try to migrate into these nations?

because the Islamic Republics are ruled by Mullah Islam, not the modern Islam which absorbs modern laws and cultures

 

[Koovie]

i could not comprehend what you are trying to say, please clarify

because the Islamic Republics are ruled by Mullah Islam, not the modern Islam which absorbs modern laws and cultures

Why do you only talk about women having to cover their whole bodies, never about men (Lets forget the fact that the whole idea is nonsense anyways) ?

I ve yet to see mass unrest in the Islamic world because a bunch of men are swimming with nothing but shorts in a river.
Is it possible that women feel sexual desire ?

 

[Soumitra]

no, i thought the skull cap was original to Muslims, and i only wear it for prayer you know
and there are only two ladies in my class of University, before that i studied in all boys school.
btw which reminds me, once if forgot to take off my cap after prayer and went to class, and everyone was string at me like WTF and one of them said "tabdeeli aani nahi hai, tabdeeli aa gai hai, ziada times Islamic Studies walon ke saath guzaar liya hai lagta hai"

See the trailer of a film released this week in India. Watch from 1:10

 

[Jf Thunder]

Why do you only talk about women having to cover their whole bodies, never about men (Lets forget the fact that the whole idea is nonsense anyways) ?

I ve yet to see mass unrest in the Islamic world because a bunch of men are swimming with nothing but shorts in a river.
Is it possible that women feel sexual desire ?

i do, when I argue with some of my buds, i do say that men should cover up to, how come women are turned into Ninjas, while men can jog around in shorts?
the dress code should be same for both, i fully agree with you here

See the trailer of a film released this week in India. Watch from 1:10

whats it about? btw can you give me a link from another site? youtube is blocked here

 

[jamahir]

and to get a troll off my tail.

troll?? you mean me??

aap toh aise na the.

 

[Levina]

troll?? you mean me??

aap toh aise na the.

I was talking about save ghenda .