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Anger is bubbling among junior army officers after eight soldiers died in a militant strike on a military camp near Uri, in Jammu and Kashmir anger. The over-cautious commanders have tied their hands, they say.
In a WhatsApp message that is racing through army networks, the Uri debacle has been blamed on tight operational restrictions allegedly imposed after two Kashmiri boys were mistakenly shot dead on November 3 by soldiers manning a check point near Chattergam village, in Anantnag district of south Kashmir.
Then, in a swift attempt to quell public outrage, the army had ordered an inquiry that found nine soldiers of 53 Rashtriya Rifles culpable. Northern army commander, Lieutenant General D S Hooda, publicly admitted the army had made a mistake.
Days later, on November 13, an army court martial sentenced five soldiers, including two officers, to life imprisonment for killing three innocent Kashmiris in a fake encounter in the Macchil sector of north Kashmir in 2010.
In the bitter WhatsApp message, an unidentified officer has directly held his top commanders responsible for the Uri debacle. "As per reports, soldiers on the sentry duty on the army camp (at Uri) did not fire upon the approaching terrorist vehicle due to caution imposed on them after the Anantnag incident (sic)", says the WhatsApp message.
The message goes on: "When (the) Anantnag incident took place last month, corps commander of 15 corps and Army Commander of Northern Command had both called it a mistake… Should not the Army Cdr (commander) and Corps cdr (commander) consider resigning for this goof up (sic)."
"Now, what do they have to say? They had betrayed their own soldiers, who became cautious and the result is for everyone to see."

Highlighting a worrying faultline, the message demands: "Generals should stop playing to (the) gallery and mind their own business and allow soldiers to do their job (sic)."

Such bitterness is growing in combat unit and sub-unit commanders, who are caught between senior officers' demands to "deliver results", i.e. to kill militants; while at the same time uphold the human rights of locals, most of whom sympathise with militants, if not actively support them.
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Image: Army personnel and relatives carry a coffin of Gurmail Singh, a soldier killed during the Uri encounter, as women wail during his funeral on the outskirts of Jammu. Photograph: Mukesh Gupta/Reuters
The army is scrambling to counter this unprecedented "social media" crisis. While nobody is speaking on the record, Business Standard learns the army is responding on social media, putting out a detailed account of the Uri incident. The aim is to prove that the militants benefited from laxity rather than from imposed restraints.
Lieutenant General Syed Ata Hasnain, a highly regarded former corps commander in Srinagar, says, "It is unfair to blame top commanders for demanding restraint. Every officer knows exactly what restraint implies; and it does not restrict legitimate use of force against militants."
Neither do accounts of the Uri strike support the view that soldiers' were operationally restrained. The attack began at 3 am, a time when civilian movement is totally banned and every stranger is considered suspicious.

Senior commanders in Kashmir have stoutly resisted pleas to lift the Disturbed Areas notification from large parts of Jammu and Kashmir, which means the Armed Forces Special Powers Act, 1990 would no longer apply in those areas. Even so, the army hierarchy is increasingly intolerant of human rights violations.
The WhatsApp message bitterly states: "We ought to accept such mistakes when we deploy the army for restoration of the situation. Everyone must understand the real purpose of AFSPA. It is meant to cover unintentional mistakes made by soldiers in the course of the performance of their duty."
The WhatsApp message strongly reflects the soldiers’ viewpoint that they are doing a thankless job for seniors, leaders and a public that neither understands nor sympathises with the army.
The officer writes, "Why does not this nation and its leaders understand the nuances of this "Designer war" heaped upon India by Pakistan since 1989? Unfortunately, even most military minds, both serving and retired, have failed to understand the reality of this war. It has nothing to do with "law and order"; it is war, sir! Most important, it is for generals to understand and grasp its characteristics and stop reacting to civilian hue and cry (sic)."

Why young army officers in Uri camp are fuming - Rediff.com India News
 
Anger is bubbling among junior army officers after eight soldiers died in a militant strike on a military camp near Uri, in Jammu and Kashmir anger. The over-cautious commanders have tied their hands, they say.
In a WhatsApp message that is racing through army networks, the Uri debacle has been blamed on tight operational restrictions allegedly imposed after two Kashmiri boys were mistakenly shot dead on November 3 by soldiers manning a check point near Chattergam village, in Anantnag district of south Kashmir.
Then, in a swift attempt to quell public outrage, the army had ordered an inquiry that found nine soldiers of 53 Rashtriya Rifles culpable. Northern army commander, Lieutenant General D S Hooda, publicly admitted the army had made a mistake.
Days later, on November 13, an army court martial sentenced five soldiers, including two officers, to life imprisonment for killing three innocent Kashmiris in a fake encounter in the Macchil sector of north Kashmir in 2010.
In the bitter WhatsApp message, an unidentified officer has directly held his top commanders responsible for the Uri debacle. "As per reports, soldiers on the sentry duty on the army camp (at Uri) did not fire upon the approaching terrorist vehicle due to caution imposed on them after the Anantnag incident (sic)", says the WhatsApp message.
The message goes on: "When (the) Anantnag incident took place last month, corps commander of 15 corps and Army Commander of Northern Command had both called it a mistake… Should not the Army Cdr (commander) and Corps cdr (commander) consider resigning for this goof up (sic)."
"Now, what do they have to say? They had betrayed their own soldiers, who became cautious and the result is for everyone to see."

Highlighting a worrying faultline, the message demands: "Generals should stop playing to (the) gallery and mind their own business and allow soldiers to do their job (sic)."

Such bitterness is growing in combat unit and sub-unit commanders, who are caught between senior officers' demands to "deliver results", i.e. to kill militants; while at the same time uphold the human rights of locals, most of whom sympathise with militants, if not actively support them.
08kashmir2.jpg

Image: Army personnel and relatives carry a coffin of Gurmail Singh, a soldier killed during the Uri encounter, as women wail during his funeral on the outskirts of Jammu. Photograph: Mukesh Gupta/Reuters
The army is scrambling to counter this unprecedented "social media" crisis. While nobody is speaking on the record, Business Standard learns the army is responding on social media, putting out a detailed account of the Uri incident. The aim is to prove that the militants benefited from laxity rather than from imposed restraints.
Lieutenant General Syed Ata Hasnain, a highly regarded former corps commander in Srinagar, says, "It is unfair to blame top commanders for demanding restraint. Every officer knows exactly what restraint implies; and it does not restrict legitimate use of force against militants."
Neither do accounts of the Uri strike support the view that soldiers' were operationally restrained. The attack began at 3 am, a time when civilian movement is totally banned and every stranger is considered suspicious.

Senior commanders in Kashmir have stoutly resisted pleas to lift the Disturbed Areas notification from large parts of Jammu and Kashmir, which means the Armed Forces Special Powers Act, 1990 would no longer apply in those areas. Even so, the army hierarchy is increasingly intolerant of human rights violations.
The WhatsApp message bitterly states: "We ought to accept such mistakes when we deploy the army for restoration of the situation. Everyone must understand the real purpose of AFSPA. It is meant to cover unintentional mistakes made by soldiers in the course of the performance of their duty."
The WhatsApp message strongly reflects the soldiers’ viewpoint that they are doing a thankless job for seniors, leaders and a public that neither understands nor sympathises with the army.
The officer writes, "Why does not this nation and its leaders understand the nuances of this "Designer war" heaped upon India by Pakistan since 1989? Unfortunately, even most military minds, both serving and retired, have failed to understand the reality of this war. It has nothing to do with "law and order"; it is war, sir! Most important, it is for generals to understand and grasp its characteristics and stop reacting to civilian hue and cry (sic)."

Why young army officers in Uri camp are fuming - Rediff.com India News
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Sad but true...
anger is justified.. but Army could have handled these with more care ..
hope they will learn lesson
 
The Price IA has to pay for these big-mouth media is too heavy .IA has the prime minister to learn from on how to keep these big-mouth idiots on their place they deserve
 
Army should order enquiry into this and whoever responsible should be taken to the task.

Please don't try to make Indian Army into Pakistani one using Fake Whatsapp messages.

I was watching time now during the day when the attack happned i heard Marooz Raza saying the exact same reson on what is mentioned in the WhatsApp message so i dont think its a Hoax
 
I was watching time now during the day when the attack happned i heard Marooz Raza saying the exact same reson on what is mentioned in the WhatsApp message so i dont think its a Hoax

So you want to say Army should start firing at any vehicle, coming toward camp.
 
The Price IA has to pay for these big-mouth media is too heavy .IA has the prime minister to learn from on how to keep these big-mouth idiots on their place they deserve

And how do you think is that going to work?
 
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Action taken on fake encounter is justified..
but
Checkpost incident and action beyond ... the limits...
IA should have been more practical than they were..
kashmir is not regualr indian terrority ...
IA men also human... they get one chance to defenc themself and others ..
discupline is imp and must be held high but operational issue must be taken care .. too ..
coming in media calling mistake was ok.. but did you tell other side in what cirsumstance it happned..
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there is diffrence between car accident happned due to dirve is drunk.. or is minor wihout .. or wihout licne or just brake faill..
so even they fire situation and backgroud diffrnece..
you cant hang guy becuase you did accident becuase car brake failed...
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So IA was alwasy had high operatioanl standrds but seems this time not that way
 
So you want to say Army should start firing at any vehicle, coming toward camp.

No man what i am trying to tell you is that the previous incident has made the army over-cautious . But the issue is not only with the army why the hell the boys didnt stopped when they are asked to? .Have you seen our media highlighting this point of view ?. What i am seeing is aTRP hungry media way back in 26/11 till this date at the cost of our army men's life
 
Though ROE must be swiftly revised, we must not turn our men into trigger happy soldiers.
I think the fine balance lays somewhere in between and a multi layered cordon approach
 
And how do you think is that going to work?

My whole point is IA should stop being defensive to the media . Take the example of the shooting incident some military experts could have explained it to the media that IA has fired as a last resort or they have to comeup with something which doesnt compromise the soilders figthing spirit
 
The whatsapp message is likely a hoax or an irresponsible soldier. If the 'officer' is saying that there is no way to protect human rights in J&K while neutralising terrorists, I don't buy it. If he is not able to explain his guys what the rules of engagement are and what caution to observe, then God help our army. IA should evolve SOPs near entry points to deal with unauthorized vehicles. If things get too close and too suspicious then they can always fire to miss the vehicle to test it.

Given how out of touch those comments are to the ground situation, the message is probably cooked up by some journalist to gain a story. And wtf does he mean Generals are playing to the gallery/ should let soldiers do their job? Protecting/Saving innocent lives is their job. And not every Kashmiri is a terrorist sympathiser and being a terrorist sympathiser does not make them a candidate for preventive attacks.
 
Those soldiers were killed by their country's illegal quest for occupying Muslim lands. Until that mindset is addressed and Kashmiri people are given their rights to self determination, more like them will follow. This is just the nature of being an occupation force.
 
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