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Another Chini with verbal diarrhoea and making prediction about India, a true communist who shames to entitle his ethnic Chinese name and the red flag.
China 1992, India 2012
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Another Chini with verbal diarrhoea and making prediction about India, a true communist who shames to entitle his ethnic Chinese name and the red flag.
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Well, we Germans are a bunch of down-to-earth people who don't hide our strength, but don't like to blow hot air as well. From that perspective, I have no problems with Chinese bragging off their achievements but I'm rather irritated by the amount of hot air created by most Indian forumers.
Some pathetic low lives have gotten so much ahead of themselves at the first sight of two decent meals on the table.
And a tea and a biscuit to assemble the IPad in the middle of the night.
LOL.. come on now.. he can manage a couple of meals a day. albeit with plastic rice, chemical eggs and cardboard chicken.
Though starvation in democratic India is worse than dictatorship sub-african states, where millions next generation perish yearly for lacking biscuit, I still don’t really think Indians have low life, but you do?
Please don’t…
Just remind you that in 1962 PLA was in even worse shape, and starved. They were poor, no frontline aircraft, not even half to the top of international.
Nonetheless, PLA kicked your even more pathetic @ss.
LOL!
China beats India hands down at least in 2 areas. Bragging & empty chest thumping
You forgot the 3rd internationally recognized place: 1962 war.
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The Economist: India is decades behind China
Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon | The Economist
Comparing India and China
Chasing the dragon
Oct 3rd 2011, 15:26 by The Economist online
How the Asian superpowers compare on various measures of development
IN THE recent Singapore Grand Prix, a car belonging to the Force India team reached the finish line just 111 seconds after the leader. Todays chart uses a stopwatch to compare Indias progress in development against another pace-setter, China. The chart shows the number of years that have elapsed since China passed the development milestones that India has now reached. Indias income per head, for example, was about $3,200 in 2009 (holding purchasing power constant across time and between countries). China reached that level of development nine years ago. The lag in social progress is much longer. A childs odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s. Moreover, the chart does not necessarily imply that India in nine years time will be as rich as China is today. That is because China grew faster in the last nine years than India is likely to grow over the next nine. We stopped the clock at $3200 per head. But China did not stop racing ahead.
[Note: Thank you to Chinese-Dragon for the newslink.]
Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon | The Economist
Comparing India and China
Chasing the dragon
Oct 3rd 2011, 15:26 by The Economist online
How the Asian superpowers compare on various measures of development
IN THE recent Singapore Grand Prix, a car belonging to the Force India team reached the finish line just 111 seconds after the leader. Todays chart uses a stopwatch to compare Indias progress in development against another pace-setter, China. The chart shows the number of years that have elapsed since China passed the development milestones that India has now reached. Indias income per head, for example, was about $3,200 in 2009 (holding purchasing power constant across time and between countries). China reached that level of development nine years ago. The lag in social progress is much longer. A childs odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s. Moreover, the chart does not necessarily imply that India in nine years time will be as rich as China is today. That is because China grew faster in the last nine years than India is likely to grow over the next nine. We stopped the clock at $3200 per head. But China did not stop racing ahead.
[Note: Thank you to Chinese-Dragon for the newslink.]
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again accusing others false flagger when your head is hit hard with reality, a fine indian routine..
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Sorry, I see this trait of blowing hot air by Indians in ALL international fora.
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Why do you bother to answer?
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"Hope is a dangerous word" - Shawshank redemption.
@topic-
kindly suggest some area for discussion
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we were posting all the relevant real data (i mean real) to debunk Indian's delusion of comparing China 1992 to India 2012, but those hot headed bhartis find those truth are too difficult to digest and feel very humiliated by reality, so resort to cheap shots, personal attack and false flag accusing as usual
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all kind of areas from economy, education, social development to science and technologies
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I want to let everyone know that I intend to resurrect this thread at the middle and end of every decade (e.g. 2015, 2020, 2025, and 2030). I will remind all of our Indian members that my analysis is correct.
The core question of this thread is whether 2012-India will experience the massive economic and technological growth of 1992-China. Throughout this thread, I have tried to explain the answer is "clearly no."
India cannot become a manufacturing superpower, because China already occupies the space. Chinese firms are earning billions of U.S. dollars every year in their manufacturing sectors and reinvesting them into their core businesses. It is an impossibility for India to catch Chinese companies like Huawei.
It has been a miracle for Chinese companies, like Huawei, to supersede "Sweden's Ericsson as the world's top-selling telecoms equipment maker" (see citation below). However, China's miraculous economic rise rested on Taiwanese technological and economic power.
Taiwan was present near the dawn of the semiconductor age when it licensed its first transistor design from RCA in 1974 (see Taiwan Review - Inside the Taiwan Miracle). In 1992, I saw miles and miles of new Taiwanese manufacturing facilities being built in Shenzhen. That was the first time when I heard the joke about the (construction) crane being China's national bird.
After the trip through Shenzhen, I became convinced China could become the world's manufacturing superpower. According to various estimates, Taiwan invested $150 to $300 billion U.S. dollars in mainland China. Who will invest hundreds of billions of dollars into the Indian manufacturing sector?
While the West looked with disdain at manufacturing jobs as being too dirty, dangerous, and dull and couldn't wait to outsource them, Taiwan happily absorbed all of those manufacturing jobs and technology.
For example, Taiwan's Foxconn is the world's largest assembler of manufactured goods. Taiwan's notebook computer manufacturers like Quanta and Compal "ship more than 90% of the 200 million notebook PCs that the major vendors are expected to sell next year" (see Quanta and Compal will be world's biggest notebook makers in 2011 | ZDNet UK).
Unlike the West, the Chinese do not view manufacturing jobs with disdain. They will never willingly let go of them. At best, India can be another Mexico and merely assemble products for foreign corporations.
India will never have the opportunity to create is own Taiwan Semiconductor, Acer, Asus, Foxconn, Quanta, Compal, Huawei, ZTE, Haier, etc. Unlike crazy Americans, those Chinese companies will never seek to outsource their design and engineering to a foreign country.
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Huawei | Telecom Solutions Provider 7
Top gear: China's Huawei outmuscles Swedish rival | Reuters
"Top gear: China's Huawei outmuscles Swedish rival
By Lee Chyen Yee
HONG KONG | Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:09am EST
(Reuters) - When Huawei Technologies posts its annual results in April, they will likely show the unlisted Chinese firm has overtaken Sweden's Ericsson as the world's top-selling telecoms equipment maker.
As with solar panel maker Suntech Power, another Chinese manufacturer that is a world beater yet little known beyond the Great Wall, it's been a rapid rise to the summit.
And, as the pace of global spending on telecoms equipment slows -- on the switches, hubs and base stations that connect networks -- Huawei has been building serious growth in new areas such as smartphones and its MediaPad tablet PC.
Globally, Huawei already ranks sixth in mobile phone sales.
Privately-owned Huawei was founded in the southern boomtown of Shenzhen by CEO Ren Zhengfei just 25 years ago, after he left the People's Liberation Army as part of a scaling down of the world's largest military force.
Now 68, Ren, who was named the fifth most powerful Asian executive by Fortune in 2011, was involved in military technology development for the PLA before setting up Huawei with just 20,000 yuan ($3,200).
Annual sales are forecast at around 200 billion yuan ($31.7 billion), around two-thirds of which, some $21 billion, are from telecoms gear, putting it ahead of Ericsson's 2011 network sales of $19.8 billion. Ericsson, which has a market value of more than $31 billion, has led the mobile telecom equipment market for at least the past decade.
GEAR GROWTH SLOWS
Global spending on telecoms equipment is forecast to grow 6.9 percent this year to $444 billion, slower than last year's 7.7 percent growth, dented by Europe's debt crisis and the generally weak economy that has checked spending in the IT sector, according to IT research firm Gartner.
Ovum, a UK research firm, sees a similar trend, with growth in telecom operators' spending slowing to 5.5 percent in 2012 from 12.2 percent last year.
About two thirds of Huawei's revenues come from selling telecoms gear -- where it also competes against Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH, Alcatel Lucent and ZTE, another Chinese firm.
As well as consumer gadgets, Huawei has pushed aggressively into selling routers and switches to corporations in the so-called enterprise sector, a growing $35 billion market dominated by Cisco Systems and Hewlett-Packard.
"There's a lot of price pressure now (from the Chinese firms) and this is going be tough for Ericsson," said Bill Rojas, an analyst at research firm IDC.
Some analysts, however, say Huawei needs to build strong channel partners -- distributors and systems integrators -- over the next 3-5 years if it's to compete in the enterprise sector.
"The market is wide open, this is anybody's game," said Matt Walker, an analyst at Ovum, referring to the telecoms market. "I know some observers will see a conservative growth outlook, think it means a tight price climate, and conclude that this favors Chinese vendors. I don't see this."
"Huawei and ZTE are positioned well in both these markets, but so are others," he said. "Services may be a big part of it."
Ren's background with the Chinese military has often been cited as hindering Huawei's progress in telecoms technology in North America, though the company has repeatedly denied having links with the armed forces.
Last year, Huawei backed away from buying U.S. server technology company 3Leaf's assets, bowing to pressure from a U.S. government panel, and in 2008, it gave up on a bid for U.S. networking equipment company 3Com. In 2010, some Republican lawmakers raised national security concerns about Huawei's bid to supply mobile telecoms equipment to Sprint Nextel Corp.
GEAR TO GADGETS
The real future growth driver for Huawei, and ZTE, also based in Shenzhen, is likely to be in red-hot consumer gadget markets, helping take up some of the slack in telecoms.
Huawei's consumer devices -- dongles, mobile phones and tablets -- now bring in almost a fifth of its revenues and these sales are powering ahead at 40 percent, the company said last month, twice the growth seen in 2010.
Huawei had sales of $6.8 billion in its consumer business last year, and is moving up the value chain by selling more of its feature-filled IDEOS and Vision smartphones.
A key advantage here is price.
Huawei's new Ascend smartphone sells at around $400, much cheaper than the most basic Apple iPhone 4S, which costs around $650 in Hong Kong stores. The phones are increasingly available at stores in glitzy Chinese malls and have featured at a Milan fashion show.
"Chinese users prefer mid-range smartphones as they are more affordable than the expensive high-end ones, and have a much better user experience than low-end phones," microblogger Hu Yang wrote on Sina Weibo.
"Let's hope Huawei introduces more such mid-range smartphones in the future, (though) I hope Huawei improves its software capabilities in smartphones as mine still has some bugs that aren't resolved."
As sales grow rapidly, Huawei hopes margins won't be compromised.
Its overall gross profit margin rose to 41.9 percent in 2010, from 39.6 percent, while, at Ericsson, gross profit margin declined to 35.1 percent last year from 38.2 percent in 2010.
"We are trying to have a strategy that doesn't revolve around price," said a Huawei executive, who declined to be identified as he was not authorized to speak to the media.
"Over the last 2-3 years, we have been focusing more on value, like customization, support and systems integration."
Other new growth areas Huawei is looking at include fourth generation (4G) Long Term Evolution (LTE), an upgrade from 3G technology that promises faster data downloads.
"Huawei is very competitive in LTE products. They're going to take away more market share," said IDC's Rojas.
Huawei has clinched more than three dozen fourth generation LTE contracts globally with major operators such as Japan's Softbank Corp, and sees sales of LTE equipment doubling next year, a senior executive said in November.
The Chinese firm, which employs more than 110,000 staff worldwide, has been offering solutions to operators that will help ease network migration with its singleRAN (radio access network) technology.
As part of a branding and image drive, Huawei also bid, unsuccessfully, to set up a phone network in London's Underground during this year's Olympic Games.
Huawei's Asian base, particularly in its home market, may also prove beneficial, both for its telecoms gear business and device sales.
"The good thing is that Asia still needs to catch up with network deployment. The demand is there," said another Huawei executive, who also asked not to be named.
"It may not be the same growth rate as before, but it's still quite significant compared to other parts of the world."
($1 = 6.3067 Chinese yuan)
(Reporting by Lee Chyen Yee; Editing by Ian Geoghegan)"
[Note: Thank you to Kobo-Daishi for the newslink.]
The core question of this thread is whether 2012-India will experience the massive economic and technological growth of 1992-China. Throughout this thread, I have tried to explain the answer is "clearly no."
India cannot become a manufacturing superpower, because China already occupies the space. Chinese firms are earning billions of U.S. dollars every year in their manufacturing sectors and reinvesting them into their core businesses. It is an impossibility for India to catch Chinese companies like Huawei.
It has been a miracle for Chinese companies, like Huawei, to supersede "Sweden's Ericsson as the world's top-selling telecoms equipment maker" (see citation below). However, China's miraculous economic rise rested on Taiwanese technological and economic power.
Taiwan was present near the dawn of the semiconductor age when it licensed its first transistor design from RCA in 1974 (see Taiwan Review - Inside the Taiwan Miracle). In 1992, I saw miles and miles of new Taiwanese manufacturing facilities being built in Shenzhen. That was the first time when I heard the joke about the (construction) crane being China's national bird.
After the trip through Shenzhen, I became convinced China could become the world's manufacturing superpower. According to various estimates, Taiwan invested $150 to $300 billion U.S. dollars in mainland China. Who will invest hundreds of billions of dollars into the Indian manufacturing sector?
While the West looked with disdain at manufacturing jobs as being too dirty, dangerous, and dull and couldn't wait to outsource them, Taiwan happily absorbed all of those manufacturing jobs and technology.
For example, Taiwan's Foxconn is the world's largest assembler of manufactured goods. Taiwan's notebook computer manufacturers like Quanta and Compal "ship more than 90% of the 200 million notebook PCs that the major vendors are expected to sell next year" (see Quanta and Compal will be world's biggest notebook makers in 2011 | ZDNet UK).
Unlike the West, the Chinese do not view manufacturing jobs with disdain. They will never willingly let go of them. At best, India can be another Mexico and merely assemble products for foreign corporations.
India will never have the opportunity to create is own Taiwan Semiconductor, Acer, Asus, Foxconn, Quanta, Compal, Huawei, ZTE, Haier, etc. Unlike crazy Americans, those Chinese companies will never seek to outsource their design and engineering to a foreign country.
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Huawei | Telecom Solutions Provider 7
Top gear: China's Huawei outmuscles Swedish rival | Reuters
"Top gear: China's Huawei outmuscles Swedish rival
By Lee Chyen Yee
HONG KONG | Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:09am EST
(Reuters) - When Huawei Technologies posts its annual results in April, they will likely show the unlisted Chinese firm has overtaken Sweden's Ericsson as the world's top-selling telecoms equipment maker.
As with solar panel maker Suntech Power, another Chinese manufacturer that is a world beater yet little known beyond the Great Wall, it's been a rapid rise to the summit.
And, as the pace of global spending on telecoms equipment slows -- on the switches, hubs and base stations that connect networks -- Huawei has been building serious growth in new areas such as smartphones and its MediaPad tablet PC.
Globally, Huawei already ranks sixth in mobile phone sales.
Privately-owned Huawei was founded in the southern boomtown of Shenzhen by CEO Ren Zhengfei just 25 years ago, after he left the People's Liberation Army as part of a scaling down of the world's largest military force.
Now 68, Ren, who was named the fifth most powerful Asian executive by Fortune in 2011, was involved in military technology development for the PLA before setting up Huawei with just 20,000 yuan ($3,200).
Annual sales are forecast at around 200 billion yuan ($31.7 billion), around two-thirds of which, some $21 billion, are from telecoms gear, putting it ahead of Ericsson's 2011 network sales of $19.8 billion. Ericsson, which has a market value of more than $31 billion, has led the mobile telecom equipment market for at least the past decade.
GEAR GROWTH SLOWS
Global spending on telecoms equipment is forecast to grow 6.9 percent this year to $444 billion, slower than last year's 7.7 percent growth, dented by Europe's debt crisis and the generally weak economy that has checked spending in the IT sector, according to IT research firm Gartner.
Ovum, a UK research firm, sees a similar trend, with growth in telecom operators' spending slowing to 5.5 percent in 2012 from 12.2 percent last year.
About two thirds of Huawei's revenues come from selling telecoms gear -- where it also competes against Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH, Alcatel Lucent and ZTE, another Chinese firm.
As well as consumer gadgets, Huawei has pushed aggressively into selling routers and switches to corporations in the so-called enterprise sector, a growing $35 billion market dominated by Cisco Systems and Hewlett-Packard.
"There's a lot of price pressure now (from the Chinese firms) and this is going be tough for Ericsson," said Bill Rojas, an analyst at research firm IDC.
Some analysts, however, say Huawei needs to build strong channel partners -- distributors and systems integrators -- over the next 3-5 years if it's to compete in the enterprise sector.
"The market is wide open, this is anybody's game," said Matt Walker, an analyst at Ovum, referring to the telecoms market. "I know some observers will see a conservative growth outlook, think it means a tight price climate, and conclude that this favors Chinese vendors. I don't see this."
"Huawei and ZTE are positioned well in both these markets, but so are others," he said. "Services may be a big part of it."
Ren's background with the Chinese military has often been cited as hindering Huawei's progress in telecoms technology in North America, though the company has repeatedly denied having links with the armed forces.
Last year, Huawei backed away from buying U.S. server technology company 3Leaf's assets, bowing to pressure from a U.S. government panel, and in 2008, it gave up on a bid for U.S. networking equipment company 3Com. In 2010, some Republican lawmakers raised national security concerns about Huawei's bid to supply mobile telecoms equipment to Sprint Nextel Corp.
GEAR TO GADGETS
The real future growth driver for Huawei, and ZTE, also based in Shenzhen, is likely to be in red-hot consumer gadget markets, helping take up some of the slack in telecoms.
Huawei's consumer devices -- dongles, mobile phones and tablets -- now bring in almost a fifth of its revenues and these sales are powering ahead at 40 percent, the company said last month, twice the growth seen in 2010.
Huawei had sales of $6.8 billion in its consumer business last year, and is moving up the value chain by selling more of its feature-filled IDEOS and Vision smartphones.
A key advantage here is price.
Huawei's new Ascend smartphone sells at around $400, much cheaper than the most basic Apple iPhone 4S, which costs around $650 in Hong Kong stores. The phones are increasingly available at stores in glitzy Chinese malls and have featured at a Milan fashion show.
"Chinese users prefer mid-range smartphones as they are more affordable than the expensive high-end ones, and have a much better user experience than low-end phones," microblogger Hu Yang wrote on Sina Weibo.
"Let's hope Huawei introduces more such mid-range smartphones in the future, (though) I hope Huawei improves its software capabilities in smartphones as mine still has some bugs that aren't resolved."
As sales grow rapidly, Huawei hopes margins won't be compromised.
Its overall gross profit margin rose to 41.9 percent in 2010, from 39.6 percent, while, at Ericsson, gross profit margin declined to 35.1 percent last year from 38.2 percent in 2010.
"We are trying to have a strategy that doesn't revolve around price," said a Huawei executive, who declined to be identified as he was not authorized to speak to the media.
"Over the last 2-3 years, we have been focusing more on value, like customization, support and systems integration."
Other new growth areas Huawei is looking at include fourth generation (4G) Long Term Evolution (LTE), an upgrade from 3G technology that promises faster data downloads.
"Huawei is very competitive in LTE products. They're going to take away more market share," said IDC's Rojas.
Huawei has clinched more than three dozen fourth generation LTE contracts globally with major operators such as Japan's Softbank Corp, and sees sales of LTE equipment doubling next year, a senior executive said in November.
The Chinese firm, which employs more than 110,000 staff worldwide, has been offering solutions to operators that will help ease network migration with its singleRAN (radio access network) technology.
As part of a branding and image drive, Huawei also bid, unsuccessfully, to set up a phone network in London's Underground during this year's Olympic Games.
Huawei's Asian base, particularly in its home market, may also prove beneficial, both for its telecoms gear business and device sales.
"The good thing is that Asia still needs to catch up with network deployment. The demand is there," said another Huawei executive, who also asked not to be named.
"It may not be the same growth rate as before, but it's still quite significant compared to other parts of the world."
($1 = 6.3067 Chinese yuan)
(Reporting by Lee Chyen Yee; Editing by Ian Geoghegan)"
[Note: Thank you to Kobo-Daishi for the newslink.]
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