‘Israel planned to hit Kahuta from India’s Jamnagar base’

[dabong1]

‘Israel planned to hit Kahuta from India’s Jamnagar base’

NEW DELHI, Oct 28: India and Israel secretly planned to hit nuclear facility in Kahuta near Islamabad in 1983-84 but backed off when the CIA tipped off Pakistan’s then president Gen Ziaul Haq.

This was claimed in a report from London published in The Asian Age, citing details revealed by investigative journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark in their book titled ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’.

The authors highlighted India’s intelligence links with Israel at the time when the two countries did not have any diplomatic contact.

“In February 1983, with the strike plan at an advanced stage, Indian military officials had travelled secretly to Israel, which had a common interest in eliminating (Dr A.Q.) Khan, to buy electronic warfare equipment to neutralise Kahuta’s air defences,” the book said.

India put its plans on hold after Dr Raja Ramanna, the then director of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, was warned by the then Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission Munir Ahmed Khan in Vienna in the autumn of 1983 that Islamabad would attack Trombay if its facilities in Kahuta were hit.

At this juncture, the book said, Israel suggested that they would carry out the raid on Kahuta, using India’s Jamnagar base in Gujarat to launch its jets and use another base in northern India for refuelling the aircraft. “In March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation, bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration.”

However, the authors said India and Israel backed down after the CIA tipped off Gen Zia and the US state department warned India that “the US will be responsive if India persists.”

The book further said Prime Minister Indira Gandhi had aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.

‘Israel planned to hit Kahuta from India’s Jamnagar base’ -DAWN - Top Stories; October 29, 2007

 

[F.O.X]

It is a pretty old story.


Regards
Wilco

 

[bhangra12345]

There are actually two big loopholes in this story

i) Why would India require help from Israel to do so? We were always in a position to maintain local air superiority anywhere in Pakistan at a point of time, if we so wanted, i.e. basically what the hell can Israel provide?

ii)India was tilted in the Russia block, and Israel and Pakistan were in the American bloc, Now Israel crossing over from American bloc came to ask India in the Russian bloc and then asking to hit someone in the American bloc, when Israel's existence depended on US and US was using Pakistan in afghanistan.

Mostly I think it was a case of some thing like the worst case analysis plans of india/israel, thats about it.

 

[Keysersoze]

There are actually two big loopholes in this story

i) Why would India require help from Israel to do so? We were always in a position to maintain local air superiority anywhere in Pakistan at a point of time, if we so wanted, i.e. basically what the hell can Israel provide?

ii)India was tilted in the Russia block, and Israel and Pakistan were in the American bloc, Now Israel crossing over from American bloc came to ask India in the Russian bloc and then asking to hit someone in the American bloc, when Israel's existence depended on US and US was using Pakistan in afghanistan.

Mostly I think it was a case of some thing like the worst case analysis plans of india/israel, thats about it.

Well the reasons are simple.......India could help Israel and then not have to face retaliation because Israeli aircraft would have done the actual task. Any Indian strike would have likely precipitated full scale war.

 

[solid snake]

i) Why would India require help from Israel to do so? We were always in a position to maintain local air superiority anywhere in Pakistan at a point of time, if we so wanted, i.e. basically what the hell can Israel provide?

Pakistan had F-16s at that time. India would have failed miserably if it taunted the PAF. Also, India failed to achieve anything, let alone gain air superiority in 2 wars before the 80s.

 

[QADRI]

thats really an old story. but one thing they have n't mention it before....if they did that mission sucessfully then they always remember it.....but unfortuanetly they always try to forget their defeat...

 

[bhangra12345]

Pakistan had F-16s at that time. India would have failed miserably if it taunted the PAF. Also, India failed to achieve anything, let alone gain air superiority in 2 wars before the 80s.

The F-16 era
Pakistan started receiving its first f-16's in 1982, i.e. it had approx 5-6 planes in 1983 on which Pak pilots had not much prior experience. So you are saying that India didnt attack because of these 5-6 planes?

Also I said, India might not have been in a position to have air dominance all over pakistan at the same time, but having air dominance at only one single point, i.e. the route to kahuta and back, hell yeah!! If decision is taken at the highest level, wouldnt 5-6 aircraft be expendable for such a very very high priority mission?

Yah, India failed to gain air superiority in 1971!! I simply do not know what to say!

 

[bhangra12345]

Well the reasons are simple.......India could help Israel and then not have to face retaliation because Israeli aircraft would have done the actual task. Any Indian strike would have likely precipitated full scale war.

As though it would made have any difference to Pakistan's retaliatory attack.
since Pakistan could not in anyway attack Israel, being too far from them, what could be their only obvious retaliatory target? India. So what in the hell would have been Israel's help in the whole issue again?

Attacking one's nuclear reactor itself states that you are ready for a full-scale war against them.

 

[bhangra12345]

thats really an old story. but one thing they have n't mention it before....if they did that mission sucessfully then they always remember it.....but unfortuanetly they always try to forget their defeat...

Hey, we didnt do it. So victory/loss is only in the dream world

and we forgot the defeat we got in your dreams, good thing isnt it!!

 

[IceCold]

i) Why would India require help from Israel to do so? We were always in a position to maintain local air superiority anywhere in Pakistan at a point of time, if we so wanted, i.e. basically what the hell can Israel provide?

Dont flatter yourself bhangra. India then only had the numerical superiority while we had the tech edge. It has always bin like that untill now when india has both the numerical and tech edge over pakistan. If it would had been possible, i can assure you Indra gandhi would had gone for it like she did in 71. IAF would have been blown up in the sky back then if they had went forward with this misadventure and that is the reason india required israeli support on this issue.

 

[QADRI]

Hey, we didnt do it. So victory/loss is only in the dream world

and we forgot the defeat we got in your dreams, good thing isnt it!!

ya man i know that you people had made lot of such plans... that usually failed like that of tarbela dam hammmm. thats not a problem thats a part of game hannnn

 

[bhangra12345]

Dont flatter yourself bhangra. India then only had the numerical superiority while we had the tech edge. It has always bin like that untill now when india has both the numerical and tech edge over pakistan. If it would had been possible, i can assure you Indra gandhi would had gone for it like she did in 71. IAF would have been blown up in the sky back then if they had went forward with this misadventure and that is the reason india required israeli support on this issue.

Now understand the word, what local air superiority means and then lets start discussing alright?

What you are not getting is, israel and India were tilted towards opposite end of the spectrum, one in us and the other in soviet camp. The major obstacle was not Pakistan, but the definite involvement of both USSR and US. Remember it was the time when US was very active in Pak, with all the affair of afghanistan going on, and the soviet was also practically next door in afghanistan.

Basically it was very difficult to predict the out come with both the super powers involvement, and I suspect, this would have been this aspect which would have been the main reason, behind India's non-commitment, if at all there was a serious thought to the whole plan.

 

[Cheetah786]

Now understand the word, what local air superiority means and then lets start discussing alright?

What you are not getting is, israel and India were tilted towards opposite end of the spectrum, one in us and the other in soviet camp. The major obstacle was not Pakistan, but the definite involvement of both USSR and US. Remember it was the time when US was very active in Pak, with all the affair of afghanistan going on, and the soviet was also practically next door in afghanistan.

Basically it was very difficult to predict the out come with both the super powers involvement, and I suspect, this would have been this aspect which would have been the main reason, behind India's non-commitment, if at all there was a serious thought to the whole plan.

I don't no what do u drink or smoke but India is been in bed with Israel from very long time.you sitting here like a 2 year old saying ''no way'' not going to change the reality.

wanna deny it deny it with some thing more concrete then just ''i don't think so''

CIA helping Pakistan against Israelis And Indian attack now thats funny.

 

[Spring Onion]

CIA helping Pakistan against Israelis And Indian attack now thats funny.

What about Saudi Arabia informed Pakistan about that attack ?????

How much is it true ??

 

[araz]

I don't no what do u drink or smoke but India is been in bed with Israel from very long time.you sitting here like a 2 year old saying ''no way'' not going to change the reality.

wanna deny it deny it with some thing more concrete then just ''i don't think so''

CIA helping Pakistan against Israelis And Indian attack now thats funny.

Brothers,
Idont see what we are arguing about. As regards being in bed with Israels, has Pakistan not had dealings with Israel? Lets face it we would connive with the devil Himself if it suited our interests.And that goes for all the countries in this world. Their is no morality or otherwise, only achievement of ones interests. India might have tried the game with Israel, but it did not materialize. If we got half a chance would we sit back and say no? probably not! Lets not argue about an event that did not occur, there are plenty of events that have.
Araz